WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:03.606 John: So we started playing some, some music that you would 00:00:03.606 --> 00:00:05.506 typically find at a service. 00:00:06.010 --> 00:00:13.333 We're playing and we stop, but what was really cool is when we stopped 00:00:13.333 --> 00:00:16.253 the music and then we went back and listened, it sounded like there 00:00:16.253 --> 00:00:20.433 were 100 people in there- … that all sat back down at the same time. 00:00:20.433 --> 00:00:21.743 You can hear, like, the wood creaking. 00:00:22.423 --> 00:00:22.863 Jody: Oh, wow 00:00:23.713 --> 00:00:26.533 John: Yeah, it was absolutely insane. 00:00:26.563 --> 00:00:28.463 I could not believe what we were hearing. 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:33.460 Intro: You are now tuned in to podcast of the paranormal. 00:00:34.534 --> 00:00:38.036 Gab: Welcome back everyone to Podcast of the Paranormal. 00:00:38.526 --> 00:00:43.366 For this episode, we are sitting down with two people who are doing such thoughtful, 00:00:43.376 --> 00:00:48.276 historically respectful work in the field right here in northeastern Pennsylvania. 00:00:48.646 --> 00:00:54.026 We have John and Keriann Balucha from Wyoming Valley Ghost Tours, and local 00:00:54.026 --> 00:00:56.516 history is in good hands with this duo. 00:00:56.976 --> 00:01:02.396 If you've ever been on one of their public investigations at any number of NEPA's 00:01:02.416 --> 00:01:07.816 local landmarks, you know they don't do sensationalized haunted house theatrics. 00:01:08.116 --> 00:01:12.499 Instead, they approach these historical spaces and their stories with genuine 00:01:12.499 --> 00:01:18.336 care, balancing local heritage preservation with hands-on investigation. 00:01:18.865 --> 00:01:23.285 Tonight, we explore their origins, what it means to investigate regional 00:01:23.295 --> 00:01:28.795 folklore ethically, and our shared 2025 investigation at Hillview Manor. 00:01:29.235 --> 00:01:31.625 John and Keriann, welcome to the show. 00:01:32.158 --> 00:01:33.328 John: Hey guys, thanks for having us. 00:01:33.338 --> 00:01:33.788 Keriann: Hi 00:01:34.089 --> 00:01:35.644 Gab: We're so glad you're able to come on. 00:01:35.644 --> 00:01:35.898 We're exited. 00:01:35.948 --> 00:01:36.348 Jody: Finally. 00:01:36.358 --> 00:01:37.388 A long time coming. 00:01:37.424 --> 00:01:38.264 Gab: Yeah, it is. 00:01:39.242 --> 00:01:39.942 John: Yeah, for sure. 00:01:39.952 --> 00:01:41.242 No, we're excited to be part of it. 00:01:41.242 --> 00:01:42.092 Thanks for having us. 00:01:42.595 --> 00:01:45.335 Gab: So how did you guys get started in this field? 00:01:45.345 --> 00:01:47.745 What had sparked your interest in the paranormal? 00:01:48.245 --> 00:01:51.975 John: I mean, phew, man, it goes back quite a while for myself. 00:01:52.005 --> 00:01:56.285 And it all is based off a tragedy, unfortunately, in my, in my family. 00:01:56.678 --> 00:02:01.612 Back in 1976, I wasn't born yet, no, I wasn't born until January of 1978. 00:02:02.022 --> 00:02:08.162 But Christmas morning, 1976, my parents had a fire at their residence, and 00:02:08.162 --> 00:02:12.802 that fire claimed the lives of my siblings, two brothers and one sister. 00:02:13.132 --> 00:02:19.362 Their names were Frank Jr., James, and Justine Belucha, ages nine, five, and two. 00:02:19.882 --> 00:02:23.092 When I was younger, I started to notice stuff in the house that just wasn't right. 00:02:23.832 --> 00:02:26.958 Noises, voices that tried to get my attention even though I couldn't 00:02:26.958 --> 00:02:28.198 make out what they were saying. 00:02:28.868 --> 00:02:34.178 I would see featureless, kind of like smokey, figures, in three. 00:02:34.218 --> 00:02:36.848 There were, now I realize that they were separated. 00:02:36.848 --> 00:02:37.598 There was three of them. 00:02:38.168 --> 00:02:41.038 Pillows would fall off the couch, things like that, just, it was kind of weird. 00:02:41.038 --> 00:02:44.148 And then my mom told me the story of what happened. 00:02:44.248 --> 00:02:48.108 So even at a really young age, I was always fascinated, with trying 00:02:48.118 --> 00:02:52.368 to communicate with those that have passed on, just because of 00:02:52.368 --> 00:02:54.498 the experience I had as a child. 00:02:54.558 --> 00:02:58.568 I mean, I realized that it was real, but I couldn't really make direct contact. 00:02:58.568 --> 00:03:01.278 So I've, I always figured, I was like, "There's gotta be a way to do this." 00:03:01.531 --> 00:03:05.401 And now that's what led ultimately to Wyoming Valley Ghost Tours, to share, 00:03:05.941 --> 00:03:10.201 uh, paranormal experiences with the community, and get to go into these 00:03:10.221 --> 00:03:15.178 amazing locations as you mentioned on the intro, that, you know, we're 00:03:15.178 --> 00:03:16.778 all about history, local history. 00:03:16.778 --> 00:03:18.308 It's very, very important to us. 00:03:18.688 --> 00:03:21.365 So we figured, you know what, let's, uh, let's pique their interest through 00:03:21.365 --> 00:03:25.155 the lens of paranormal, and let's get them into these local establishments, 00:03:25.155 --> 00:03:27.901 that also these establishments benefit. 00:03:28.241 --> 00:03:31.571 These are like fundraisers for them, for restoration, programs, 00:03:31.571 --> 00:03:33.205 et cetera, that they need. 00:03:33.225 --> 00:03:34.735 So here we are 00:03:35.235 --> 00:03:36.941 Jody: So John, you mentioned that your mother seemed to 00:03:36.941 --> 00:03:38.461 be pretty receptive to it. 00:03:38.888 --> 00:03:39.368 John: Yeah. 00:03:39.388 --> 00:03:45.028 Uh, my mom, she really, she always wanted me to move forward and 00:03:45.028 --> 00:03:48.858 do whatever, you know, made me happy and what my interests were. 00:03:49.248 --> 00:03:53.088 So she was definitely supportive of anything that we did, especially 00:03:53.088 --> 00:03:54.108 with the, the background. 00:03:54.108 --> 00:03:57.858 She was also fascinated with because she would have experiences throughout 00:03:57.858 --> 00:03:59.288 her life up until she passed. 00:03:59.288 --> 00:04:01.138 So she understood that it was real also. 00:04:01.411 --> 00:04:06.181 And what I mean by that is one of the biggest things that my, my mom would 00:04:06.181 --> 00:04:11.131 experience, uh, were like tugs on her apron while she was washing dishes. 00:04:11.131 --> 00:04:14.651 And that's something that, my oldest brother would actually do and come up to 00:04:14.651 --> 00:04:18.451 her, or my sister actually, I'm sorry, and tug on her, on her apron strings. 00:04:18.451 --> 00:04:20.481 And she would experience that up until she died. 00:04:20.871 --> 00:04:27.081 And then my father, uh, his, uh, Frank Jr., he would go up and always 00:04:27.091 --> 00:04:30.781 grab my dad's feet and tickle his feet before he would fall asleep. 00:04:30.781 --> 00:04:33.635 And my dad would experience that occasionally up until he passed away. 00:04:34.271 --> 00:04:38.151 So, uh, my mom was always supportive of me and Keriann because Keriann 00:04:38.331 --> 00:04:43.401 also has a little bit of history with those that have passed on 00:04:43.978 --> 00:04:44.828 Jody: Well, let's hear it, Keriann. 00:04:44.918 --> 00:04:45.648 What do you got for us? 00:04:46.186 --> 00:04:50.316 Keriann: So, my background is not as extensive as John, but, you know, growing 00:04:50.316 --> 00:04:54.606 up I always had, you know, interest in it, and my brother did as well. 00:04:54.806 --> 00:04:58.526 So then when John and I kind of got together, John and my brother 00:04:58.536 --> 00:05:02.876 had some things to talk about, and they had some experiences together. 00:05:03.206 --> 00:05:07.439 Um, and then I lost my brother, in 2015. 00:05:08.053 --> 00:05:11.123 and so then we've just been, you know, continuing to kind of 00:05:11.123 --> 00:05:12.973 search for those answers as well. 00:05:13.563 --> 00:05:18.103 but that's pretty much, you know, the, the, the extent of the history. 00:05:18.373 --> 00:05:22.803 But John and I together when we met, you know- 00:05:23.066 --> 00:05:24.153 John: 22 years ago 00:05:24.153 --> 00:05:28.296 … Keriann: 22 years ago, did some investigations and then, formulated, 00:05:28.379 --> 00:05:30.919 Wyoming Valley Ghost Tours back in 2018. 00:05:30.919 --> 00:05:34.919 Have just been continuing to do some investigations by ourselves, 00:05:34.929 --> 00:05:38.119 and also throughout, uh, Wahme Valley Ghost Tours as well, so. 00:05:38.785 --> 00:05:39.525 Jody: That's so cool. 00:05:39.635 --> 00:05:43.035 Gabrielle here, she started probably around the same time, 00:05:43.035 --> 00:05:44.865 20-some years ago at Penn State. 00:05:46.569 --> 00:05:49.875 I was just a TV show junkie at that point, and I was watching, you know, 00:05:50.175 --> 00:05:51.515 Paranormal State and all those. 00:05:52.495 --> 00:05:53.085 And, uh, 00:05:53.105 --> 00:05:53.407 Gabrielle 00:05:53.407 --> 00:05:54.715 John: Paranormal Street was a great one. 00:05:54.765 --> 00:05:58.115 Jody: It's, I think it still is, honestly, for what it did at the time. 00:05:58.385 --> 00:06:01.803 I mean, I'd have to go back and watch it and see how it aged, but, yeah, 00:06:01.803 --> 00:06:04.969 Gabrielle actually got me started with this stuff through your group, 00:06:05.299 --> 00:06:05.779 John: excellent 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:07.139 Jody: through Wyoming Valley Ghost Tours. 00:06:07.209 --> 00:06:10.789 She said, "Hey, are you interested in this stuff? Like, these guys are doing 00:06:10.789 --> 00:06:13.979 this for, you know, about a year now. Let's, go to one of their investigations." 00:06:14.389 --> 00:06:15.889 And I was hesitant at first. 00:06:17.739 --> 00:06:21.249 But, uh, now I'm, you know, I have, I, I, I'm all in now, so. 00:06:21.633 --> 00:06:23.333 John: Yeah, I'm glad you guys found us, man. 00:06:23.353 --> 00:06:26.913 Um, you know, and there's just another example of there it is. 00:06:26.913 --> 00:06:27.753 There's your interest. 00:06:27.753 --> 00:06:28.773 It was piqued. 00:06:29.203 --> 00:06:32.423 Come again, checking things out, and now you guys are hooked. 00:06:32.423 --> 00:06:36.023 So we, we love it when we hear stories like that, when people even form 00:06:36.023 --> 00:06:39.103 their own teams, their own paranormal investigative teams, and they go out 00:06:39.103 --> 00:06:42.483 and they go out into the community, like where they're from, or even in the area. 00:06:42.483 --> 00:06:45.693 But we love the fact that people, they come to our event and they say, "Hey, 00:06:45.693 --> 00:06:49.273 man, because of you, we were able to do this, and we try and we really, 00:06:49.273 --> 00:06:52.393 really love it. Thank you so much." So that, that means a lot to us also 00:06:52.852 --> 00:06:54.462 Jody: Yeah, it's a big offering for the community. 00:06:54.472 --> 00:06:54.942 It really is. 00:06:54.942 --> 00:06:58.192 Just to get people that are a little green in on it, I think it's fantastic. 00:06:58.272 --> 00:06:59.042 The format's great. 00:06:59.042 --> 00:07:00.622 I love how you guys g- how you guys handle it. 00:07:01.038 --> 00:07:01.405 Keriann: Thank you. 00:07:01.792 --> 00:07:02.032 Gab: Or 00:07:02.032 --> 00:07:07.942 it's a great way too, to kind of just have a fun, unique experience locally 00:07:08.132 --> 00:07:10.122 with like family, with friends. 00:07:11.062 --> 00:07:14.042 You know, you get a little bit of history, you get a little bit of a scare. 00:07:14.042 --> 00:07:17.802 Like it's just, you know, you can't go wrong any way you're looking at 00:07:17.852 --> 00:07:19.302 taking part in one of the events. 00:07:19.488 --> 00:07:22.908 Jody: And you get into old historical buildings- at night, and you get 00:07:22.908 --> 00:07:25.598 into some areas that you probably wouldn't have access during- 00:07:25.788 --> 00:07:26.268 Gab: which is the best part for me 00:07:26.738 --> 00:07:27.468 John: Yeah, that's true. 00:07:27.518 --> 00:07:31.078 There's a lot of places, like all of our partners actually, we get into places 00:07:31.078 --> 00:07:36.488 that the normal, you know, the, the local, the, um, the normal, the, uh, the general 00:07:36.488 --> 00:07:38.298 public would not be able to get into. 00:07:38.328 --> 00:07:41.228 And, you know, that's really special, for them to get in and do that. 00:07:41.228 --> 00:07:45.338 But the best part is, is like a lot of people, they see these 00:07:45.338 --> 00:07:46.798 buildings in passing, right? 00:07:46.798 --> 00:07:48.518 But they have no idea what they are. 00:07:48.818 --> 00:07:51.768 Like the Stratham Cultural Center, people drive by like, "Wow, look at that 00:07:51.768 --> 00:07:53.248 building. It's awesome." Well, guess what? 00:07:53.248 --> 00:07:54.158 Now you get to go in. 00:07:54.498 --> 00:07:58.528 Now you get to explore every bit of that place with Keriann and I, 00:07:58.708 --> 00:07:59.898 and things you get to experience. 00:07:59.898 --> 00:08:03.348 But what's really cool is when people realize that they 00:08:03.348 --> 00:08:04.528 can have their wedding there. 00:08:04.828 --> 00:08:06.308 They can hold baby showers there. 00:08:06.538 --> 00:08:07.018 Jody: Oh yeah 00:08:07.072 --> 00:08:09.127 John: you know, they could do all kinds of things, just like 00:08:09.127 --> 00:08:10.797 over at the Osterhout Library. 00:08:10.797 --> 00:08:14.827 People find out, number one, the history, and then they find out, well, hey man, 00:08:14.847 --> 00:08:17.817 they have a book club here, like a horror book club, and they have stuff like that. 00:08:17.817 --> 00:08:18.907 They're like, "Wow, this is great." 00:08:19.267 --> 00:08:23.704 So people get to go back out and use these, places for their own personal 00:08:23.704 --> 00:08:25.614 use, later on, which is great. 00:08:25.614 --> 00:08:28.194 So it's small… We're also supporting small business. 00:08:28.840 --> 00:08:29.730 Jody: Yeah, I thought it was great. 00:08:29.740 --> 00:08:32.250 I actually learned that the children's library in downtown 00:08:32.250 --> 00:08:33.790 Scranton used to be a church 00:08:33.907 --> 00:08:36.737 John: Yeah, Yeah, You would never, I would have never have known that. 00:08:36.737 --> 00:08:37.097 But yeah, 00:08:37.127 --> 00:08:37.687 there we go. 00:08:38.087 --> 00:08:38.707 Another little bit. 00:08:38.935 --> 00:08:39.995 Jody: I've lived here all my life. 00:08:39.995 --> 00:08:40.215 Yeah. 00:08:40.225 --> 00:08:41.205 I had no, no idea 00:08:41.724 --> 00:08:42.134 John: Mm-hmm. 00:08:42.654 --> 00:08:42.844 Yeah. 00:08:42.844 --> 00:08:43.354 It's great 00:08:43.805 --> 00:08:44.085 Gab: Yeah. 00:08:44.085 --> 00:08:45.055 It's fantastic. 00:08:45.368 --> 00:08:50.188 And we've done a number of public investigations with different 00:08:50.198 --> 00:08:52.578 groups throughout, like, the region. 00:08:52.938 --> 00:08:56.498 And we always just keep coming back to, we're like, "You know what? John and 00:08:56.508 --> 00:09:00.638 Keriann, they really do it right." Like, you're breaking people up into groups. 00:09:00.638 --> 00:09:02.368 You're rotating throughout the night. 00:09:02.718 --> 00:09:08.181 Like, we've been places where just let you go like a free-for-all, and it's chaos. 00:09:08.268 --> 00:09:10.065 Jody: Some places you pay good money for it too. 00:09:10.175 --> 00:09:12.485 And it's just… Yeah it needs to be, 00:09:13.065 --> 00:09:15.095 I don't know, you're, you're kinda like chaperones a little bit. 00:09:15.492 --> 00:09:15.732 Gab: Yeah. 00:09:16.512 --> 00:09:17.322 Like there's a structure. 00:09:17.322 --> 00:09:17.342 Jody: Yeah. 00:09:17.887 --> 00:09:18.787 John: Yeah, for sure. 00:09:18.847 --> 00:09:20.227 And people do like structure. 00:09:20.227 --> 00:09:21.157 They ask all the time. 00:09:21.197 --> 00:09:24.607 I mean, that's why we give a little bit of both, uh, in each investigation. 00:09:24.607 --> 00:09:27.877 So you'll have like the structured zone, like where I'm either there, doing 00:09:27.887 --> 00:09:29.887 experiments and investigating with them. 00:09:29.887 --> 00:09:31.967 And Keriann, she'll be investigating. 00:09:31.967 --> 00:09:35.857 But then we have those areas that we just let people kinda do their own thing. 00:09:36.167 --> 00:09:39.327 And when the time's up in that area, we just come get them. 00:09:39.327 --> 00:09:42.503 So they, they have supervised, I guess you wanna call it, and 00:09:42.503 --> 00:09:44.293 unsupervised, investigations. 00:09:44.333 --> 00:09:46.883 Which is great because we feel that we need to let people go 00:09:46.883 --> 00:09:47.843 out and just do their own thing. 00:09:47.853 --> 00:09:52.206 Because look, man, nobody wants, you know, the teacher so much, you 00:09:52.206 --> 00:09:54.566 know, standing over your shoulder and making sure that it's right. 00:09:54.566 --> 00:09:55.916 You gotta go out and just do your own thing. 00:09:55.976 --> 00:09:59.596 That's when you get to, you know, use your own techniques and- Mm-hmm … come up 00:09:59.596 --> 00:10:02.766 with different cool things to do instead of like, "Oh, God, what do I say now?" 00:10:03.106 --> 00:10:04.756 Um, you know, Keriann's there or whatever. 00:10:04.756 --> 00:10:06.596 I don't, I don't wanna sound like a fo- people say that all the time. 00:10:06.596 --> 00:10:08.546 Like, there's no silly questions in this. 00:10:08.973 --> 00:10:09.806 Just go out, man. 00:10:09.856 --> 00:10:10.206 Do it. 00:10:10.276 --> 00:10:11.356 Let's enjoy it together 00:10:12.050 --> 00:10:12.380 Gab: Yeah. 00:10:12.380 --> 00:10:13.300 Jody: Oh abslutely, I agree. 00:10:13.710 --> 00:10:15.620 Gab: oh yeah, 100%, absolutely. 00:10:16.130 --> 00:10:20.910 So we saw you guys just wrapped up an event a few nights ago, and you had 00:10:20.910 --> 00:10:25.290 set up the central base station, you were monitoring the static camera feeds. 00:10:25.690 --> 00:10:30.170 What had prompted that kind of setup for the event, and how do you guys 00:10:30.170 --> 00:10:34.980 think that running that centralized hub changed the dynamic of an investigation 00:10:34.980 --> 00:10:39.554 compared to like the typical setup where you're just having the teams, they're 00:10:39.554 --> 00:10:42.934 walking through, they're, you know, just going through the space on foot? 00:10:43.323 --> 00:10:46.334 Keriann: we wanted to provide a different experience for, some of 00:10:46.334 --> 00:10:50.004 our, well, for all of our patrons actually, but it's a smaller group. 00:10:50.484 --> 00:10:54.974 So, um, we gave the opportunity to go into one of our, our partner's 00:10:55.014 --> 00:10:59.274 locations, which was the Lackawanna, Historical, which was the Catlin House. 00:10:59.487 --> 00:11:02.977 And then we also were in a brand new location, um, the following 00:11:02.987 --> 00:11:04.797 night and did the exact same thing. 00:11:05.160 --> 00:11:09.790 but instead of having our typical, 24 to 30 people in the building, 00:11:09.790 --> 00:11:13.260 we dropped it down to 12 people, so it was a smaller, more intimate 00:11:13.260 --> 00:11:15.390 setting and a longer experience. 00:11:15.870 --> 00:11:18.187 So then, they had the opportunity to actually run 00:11:18.187 --> 00:11:19.997 the event themselves basically. 00:11:20.070 --> 00:11:20.547 John: Mm-hmm. 00:11:20.567 --> 00:11:24.287 Keriann: So people that have come to our events, multiple times were, were 00:11:24.287 --> 00:11:26.427 the typical ones that set this up. 00:11:26.707 --> 00:11:30.574 Or actually not set it up, but actually ran the event themselves. 00:11:30.574 --> 00:11:34.754 They were the ones that actually, purchased the tickets, for this event. 00:11:35.254 --> 00:11:41.224 We had a, a need for it, I would say, or a request for it, and we, we 00:11:41.764 --> 00:11:45.610 looked for the location that would allow for it, and we, we did it. 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.314 John: Yeah, I just think people want that added experience, you 00:11:48.314 --> 00:11:51.690 know, because we basically give them the opportunity to run their own- 00:11:51.700 --> 00:11:51.720 Keriann: Yeah 00:11:51.730 --> 00:11:56.050 John: episode as if they had their own, show, and they were able to go do it. 00:11:56.050 --> 00:11:59.000 And like Keriann said, you get, you get to do everything. 00:11:59.050 --> 00:12:03.110 You, you run the audio feeds, you run the video feeds, you set up the monitors, you 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.910 set up, you know, your zone where people are gonna sit and watch the monitors. 00:12:06.910 --> 00:12:08.630 We give people tasks what to do. 00:12:08.630 --> 00:12:11.100 They get to go out on their own and chill, and then come back with 00:12:11.100 --> 00:12:12.450 evidence and share it with the group. 00:12:12.450 --> 00:12:16.200 So it's really a, a great hands-on experience and something different, 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:19.300 which I don't think is offered, well, not around here anyways. 00:12:19.310 --> 00:12:22.980 But, we just really wanted to get them involved to see what it's like to 00:12:22.980 --> 00:12:27.077 investigate all night long on their own, their own ideas, their own techniques, 00:12:27.404 --> 00:12:31.894 and then the grueling work of, "Oh, we gotta set this up, take it down. 00:12:32.054 --> 00:12:32.814 I'm tired. 00:12:32.824 --> 00:12:35.834 It's 3:00 in the morning," but you have to do it. 'Cause we know. 00:12:35.834 --> 00:12:36.684 We're like, "All right, guys. 00:12:36.684 --> 00:12:37.494 This is yours, man. 00:12:37.754 --> 00:12:38.394 Go set up. 00:12:38.394 --> 00:12:40.994 It's your turn to tear it down," and that's how it goes. 00:12:40.994 --> 00:12:44.034 So they get to see, have a full experience of investigating. 00:12:44.311 --> 00:12:44.561 Gab: Yeah. 00:12:44.591 --> 00:12:47.001 That is a pretty unique experience in this field with 00:12:47.001 --> 00:12:48.951 just like public investigations. 00:12:48.951 --> 00:12:50.761 I don't think anybody else is really offering that. 00:12:50.761 --> 00:12:51.371 Jody: ive never seen it. 00:12:51.371 --> 00:12:51.651 No. 00:12:51.741 --> 00:12:51.991 Gab: No. 00:12:52.336 --> 00:12:55.736 Keriann: And I think that, uh, a lot of the groups really, I mean, everyone that 00:12:55.736 --> 00:12:59.796 went to it really enjoyed watching the cameras as well as actually going out and 00:12:59.796 --> 00:13:01.456 doing the investigative portion of it. 00:13:01.796 --> 00:13:05.756 Because they didn't realize that watching the cameras was part of the investigation. 00:13:05.756 --> 00:13:06.576 John: And equally as important. 00:13:06.616 --> 00:13:08.956 Keriann: As e- and as equally important too. 00:13:08.976 --> 00:13:13.546 And so kind of debunking what, you know, is happening on the camera. 00:13:13.726 --> 00:13:19.076 And then telling people like, you know, do this in the room or move this, 00:13:19.076 --> 00:13:20.816 you know, things like that too, so. 00:13:21.026 --> 00:13:24.016 And then coming together at the end of the night and saying like, "Well, while, 00:13:24.026 --> 00:13:28.786 when you were experiencing this, this is what we were seeing, you know, happening." 00:13:28.806 --> 00:13:32.586 And it, it, it was a neat experience for all of them to, to have 00:13:32.816 --> 00:13:34.693 all at the same time too, so. 00:13:34.995 --> 00:13:36.067 Jody: And everybody has a role. 00:13:36.207 --> 00:13:38.667 And that's important when you're, when you're doing sort of investigation. 00:13:38.757 --> 00:13:40.097 You have to have someone on the cameras. 00:13:40.097 --> 00:13:41.287 You have to have some- You know what I mean? 00:13:41.732 --> 00:13:43.012 And you have the people investigating. 00:13:43.012 --> 00:13:43.132 Yeah. 00:13:43.132 --> 00:13:44.142 That's, that's important. 00:13:44.322 --> 00:13:44.562 Yeah. 00:13:44.562 --> 00:13:46.252 That's, it's a very good, very cool setup. 00:13:46.702 --> 00:13:47.732 John: Yeah, we enjoy doing it. 00:13:47.782 --> 00:13:48.922 We call them lockdowns. 00:13:48.992 --> 00:13:51.582 You know, so they're pretty much all night, not about all night, 00:13:51.582 --> 00:13:53.142 but at least eight hours for sure. 00:13:53.713 --> 00:13:58.013 Gab: How do you think that participants adapted to that style of observation? 00:13:58.363 --> 00:14:01.533 Did sitting at the monitor station, did that change how they were 00:14:01.533 --> 00:14:05.111 engaging with the space they were processing what they were seeing? 00:14:06.111 --> 00:14:09.671 John: I think, um, I think they appreciate it more, the whole, when 00:14:09.671 --> 00:14:12.051 they see how it actually unfolds. 00:14:12.051 --> 00:14:15.211 They, they understand how important data is at that point. 00:14:15.541 --> 00:14:17.241 And that's what we always tell people. 00:14:17.391 --> 00:14:21.641 When you're investigating, it's notes, tons of notes, observations. 00:14:21.901 --> 00:14:26.131 When you're taking audio c- you listen, you put folders down, you mark times down. 00:14:26.131 --> 00:14:27.811 You mark down what you think you hear. 00:14:28.111 --> 00:14:30.061 You mark down stuff that you think that you saw. 00:14:30.391 --> 00:14:33.571 And going back and reviewing as a group is really important. 00:14:33.591 --> 00:14:37.531 Now you get to just really see what it's like to do a full-on investigation. 00:14:37.531 --> 00:14:41.791 So they actually adapt very well, and they really enjoy doing that portion of it. 00:14:42.191 --> 00:14:42.491 Gab: Yeah. 00:14:42.511 --> 00:14:45.301 I think so many people overlook that review of evidence 00:14:45.331 --> 00:14:46.611 after they've investigated 00:14:46.932 --> 00:14:51.872 John: Yeah, they get to see like how much hard work basically there is 00:14:51.882 --> 00:14:53.692 in setting up something like this. 00:14:53.892 --> 00:14:56.862 You know, when Keriann and I get called and we do an investigation, it's not 00:14:56.862 --> 00:14:58.912 just, hey, we show up, pop in, we're done. 00:14:59.302 --> 00:15:00.842 It's, it's that exactly. 00:15:01.192 --> 00:15:03.412 Setting up and taking notes. 00:15:03.412 --> 00:15:06.772 And, and a lot of people don't realize investigating is a lot of sitting, 00:15:07.332 --> 00:15:08.372 and a lot of listening. 00:15:08.652 --> 00:15:12.152 Understanding the sounds that buildings make naturally, or homes 00:15:12.152 --> 00:15:16.432 make naturally, and then compare them when you're in there asking questions. 00:15:16.442 --> 00:15:17.682 What's changing around us? 00:15:18.132 --> 00:15:19.652 It's just really, really important to do that. 00:15:19.652 --> 00:15:23.652 And we have other tools also that keep track of data, even 00:15:23.662 --> 00:15:24.982 minute little differences. 00:15:24.982 --> 00:15:27.632 But like humidity levels, why did they change? 00:15:27.632 --> 00:15:28.432 What happened there? 00:15:28.432 --> 00:15:29.732 Why did the temperature drop? 00:15:29.732 --> 00:15:32.202 So you write all this down, you check out your data, and 00:15:32.202 --> 00:15:33.172 you go back and you check it. 00:15:33.172 --> 00:15:36.632 Wow, okay, so we had this experience, and at the same time, uh, the 00:15:36.632 --> 00:15:37.902 humidity level changed in a room. 00:15:37.912 --> 00:15:40.882 Or it got chilly in there by a couple degrees. 00:15:40.882 --> 00:15:42.312 Like, what happened and why? 00:15:42.602 --> 00:15:45.978 So it's just really neat to see behind the scenes, how it happens 00:15:46.618 --> 00:15:51.438 Gab: When you guys take on a new location, how do you navigate that balance between 00:15:51.448 --> 00:15:56.348 the documented regional history and the unverified folklore or the ghost 00:15:56.348 --> 00:15:58.208 stories that are surrounding the site? 00:15:59.208 --> 00:16:04.844 John: Well, we never actually share that information, with any of the groups 00:16:04.864 --> 00:16:09.174 because we don't want someone to come in and already have, in their head- 00:16:09.174 --> 00:16:10.384 Keriann: A preconceived notion. 00:16:10.514 --> 00:16:11.134 John: Right. 00:16:11.284 --> 00:16:12.384 Like, you don't want that. 00:16:12.404 --> 00:16:13.834 And at the end of the night, that's when we share. 00:16:13.834 --> 00:16:17.614 We're like, "Okay, well you guys found this, and here's one of the, you know, 00:16:17.624 --> 00:16:21.814 one of the employees here, this is their claim of paranormal activity. 00:16:21.844 --> 00:16:22.564 And you found it. 00:16:22.614 --> 00:16:24.284 Here's some historical facts," right? 00:16:24.284 --> 00:16:26.994 Keriann: The, I was gonna say, the only information that we will share 00:16:26.994 --> 00:16:28.924 is the actual history of the building. 00:16:28.934 --> 00:16:31.284 So what it was or what it is. 00:16:31.648 --> 00:16:33.818 How long it's been standing. 00:16:34.541 --> 00:16:34.688 Yeah. 00:16:34.688 --> 00:16:34.978 Yeah. 00:16:34.978 --> 00:16:38.928 The, the, the amount of years that it was or something like that. 00:16:38.928 --> 00:16:43.388 We actually won't share any of the, the folklore of the building 00:16:43.984 --> 00:16:45.054 Jody: See, that's how I feel too. 00:16:45.054 --> 00:16:47.134 I don't want any of the history when I go into it. 00:16:47.304 --> 00:16:48.504 Gabrielle's a little different than me. 00:16:48.504 --> 00:16:50.094 She likes to read up on the history ahead of time. 00:16:50.094 --> 00:16:53.384 But lot of the time I'm the one behind the headphones on an Estes session. 00:16:53.394 --> 00:16:53.434 John: Mm-hmm. 00:16:53.788 --> 00:16:54.088 Keriann: Mm-hmm. 00:16:54.814 --> 00:16:57.454 Jody: And to me, if I don't know the history and I'm pulling stuff out about 00:16:57.454 --> 00:17:00.994 the location and stuff that's happened there, that kinda means something to me. 00:17:00.994 --> 00:17:01.504 You know what I mean? 00:17:01.504 --> 00:17:03.154 Like, how the heck did I get that? 00:17:03.184 --> 00:17:03.814 That's crazy. 00:17:04.584 --> 00:17:07.314 You know, it's just, uh, it's, experiential. 00:17:07.464 --> 00:17:07.854 You know what I mean? 00:17:07.864 --> 00:17:10.074 Like, I want that experience where I'm like pulling something 00:17:10.074 --> 00:17:11.516 out that I shouldn't know, and 00:17:12.367 --> 00:17:12.877 John: Yeah, for sure 00:17:13.004 --> 00:17:13.828 Jody: you get that wow factor 00:17:14.766 --> 00:17:17.656 John: Yeah, because now at the end of the night you're like, "Wow, I really 00:17:17.656 --> 00:17:21.626 did make communication with, you know, who owned this house at one point." 00:17:21.626 --> 00:17:24.236 And, you know, it, it's just really, really interesting to do it that way. 00:17:24.276 --> 00:17:25.676 That's just the way we like to do it. 00:17:26.086 --> 00:17:29.596 Uh, even when we go and investigate, we don't look at any 00:17:29.636 --> 00:17:32.206 historical data of a location. 00:17:32.536 --> 00:17:34.656 Keriann: Well, we, I mean, other than the fact that, like, we have the 00:17:34.656 --> 00:17:35.916 person that's providing the history- 00:17:35.916 --> 00:17:36.216 John: Sure. 00:17:36.416 --> 00:17:36.546 Yeah 00:17:36.546 --> 00:17:37.206 … Keriann: of the location. 00:17:37.296 --> 00:17:40.276 So then we do know the history of it because ultimately- 00:17:40.276 --> 00:17:41.166 John: But not paranormal claims 00:17:41.206 --> 00:17:42.494 … Keriann: not the paranormal claims 00:17:42.614 --> 00:17:43.054 Jody: Right. 00:17:43.698 --> 00:17:44.168 Gab: Yeah. 00:17:45.068 --> 00:17:49.068 We've been to so many locations where you're told what spirits to 00:17:49.068 --> 00:17:52.938 expect there and that's like the only thing people are looking for. 00:17:52.938 --> 00:17:58.148 They're like, "Oh, little Johnny's in this room." you're not thinking about anything 00:17:58.198 --> 00:18:00.008 else, like any other possibilities. 00:18:00.074 --> 00:18:02.434 Jody: Well, on public investigations, that's what people are doing, right? 00:18:02.434 --> 00:18:02.634 Gab: Yeah 00:18:02.664 --> 00:18:05.754 Jody: "Is Johnny here? Can I talk to Johnny?" Or y- whatever right 00:18:06.424 --> 00:18:09.264 I like to just kinda go somewhere and see what comes through 00:18:09.844 --> 00:18:09.978 Gab: Just feel it out. 00:18:09.978 --> 00:18:11.844 Jody: And then, you know, like John said, look up the history 00:18:11.844 --> 00:18:12.784 later, see what connects 00:18:12.804 --> 00:18:13.204 John: Yeah. 00:18:13.247 --> 00:18:16.554 you don't want… I, I don't, I don't like, I don't like when people dwell 00:18:16.964 --> 00:18:18.534 on, like you said, Johnny's here. 00:18:18.544 --> 00:18:22.034 And that's all they'll focus on, and they close themselves off to anything 00:18:22.034 --> 00:18:23.644 else that they may be able to experience 00:18:24.304 --> 00:18:24.584 Jody: Right. 00:18:24.644 --> 00:18:25.772 You're keeping it too narrow. 00:18:25.989 --> 00:18:27.652 Keriann: And I was just gonna say that's, pretty much why we 00:18:27.652 --> 00:18:30.982 don't tell people, like, what the hotspots are in the building too. 00:18:31.312 --> 00:18:31.342 John: Right. 00:18:31.342 --> 00:18:34.902 Keriann: Because then they focus on, you know, that particular room in the building 00:18:34.902 --> 00:18:38.542 or that particular, like, you know, that stairwell or something like that. 00:18:38.582 --> 00:18:43.182 Um, because any part of the building can be a hotspot. 00:18:43.232 --> 00:18:43.552 John: Sure. 00:18:43.602 --> 00:18:47.832 Keriann: Um, it just depends on, you know, the night, the energy, the crowd. 00:18:48.265 --> 00:18:52.895 So I, I don't like to say like, so everyone's like, "Okay, well, 00:18:53.135 --> 00:18:56.665 is the Scranton Cultural Center a good place to investigate?" 00:18:56.665 --> 00:18:57.315 John: Come find out. 00:18:57.405 --> 00:19:00.824 Keriann: "What, uh, what part of the Scranton Cultural Center really is good 00:19:01.034 --> 00:19:02.874 for investigating?" The entire thing. 00:19:03.308 --> 00:19:03.599 Gab: Yeah. 00:19:03.744 --> 00:19:04.164 John: Come find out. 00:19:05.164 --> 00:19:07.214 Gab: That place is the entire thing too. 00:19:08.214 --> 00:19:08.444 Jody: But it's 00:19:08.532 --> 00:19:08.552 Gab: the 00:19:08.554 --> 00:19:09.097 Jody: basement. 00:19:09.662 --> 00:19:10.002 Gab: Yeah. 00:19:10.392 --> 00:19:10.632 Yeah. 00:19:11.632 --> 00:19:12.712 John: It's always the basement 00:19:12.870 --> 00:19:13.260 Gab: Yeah. 00:19:13.510 --> 00:19:17.670 It like, just like radiates outward from the basement into the entire building. 00:19:19.800 --> 00:19:20.000 John: Yep. 00:19:20.340 --> 00:19:22.808 Jody: That's really important too, that you're not like basically front 00:19:22.808 --> 00:19:26.158 loading the investigation because we've been on, large public investigations 00:19:26.158 --> 00:19:27.968 where they, they're a free-for-all. 00:19:28.768 --> 00:19:28.788 Mm-hmm. 00:19:28.798 --> 00:19:31.458 Like it's literally like they, they fire the, the starter 00:19:31.458 --> 00:19:32.928 pistol and everybody runs. 00:19:32.928 --> 00:19:33.868 And what does everybody do? 00:19:34.989 --> 00:19:37.627 Everybody wants to camp out where the big baddie is all night. 00:19:37.776 --> 00:19:38.247 Gab: Yeah. 00:19:38.391 --> 00:19:38.411 John: Yeah. 00:19:38.461 --> 00:19:41.631 And now you have 20 people in one location the size of a closet 00:19:41.905 --> 00:19:42.615 Gab: Yeah. 00:19:42.623 --> 00:19:42.921 Jody: near it. 00:19:43.139 --> 00:19:44.639 Gab: And nobody wants to move form there. 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:46.000 John: Exactly. 00:19:46.500 --> 00:19:48.550 Keriann: That's not good for anybody involved. 00:19:48.844 --> 00:19:49.242 Gab: No 00:19:49.629 --> 00:19:50.844 Jody: It's not a good experience. 00:19:50.844 --> 00:19:52.934 That's why we love the way that you guys do things. 00:19:53.814 --> 00:19:54.754 Like, I can't say it enough. 00:19:54.754 --> 00:19:56.644 I've said it on a number of episodes. 00:19:56.694 --> 00:19:58.834 We always talk about our local group. 00:19:59.844 --> 00:20:00.514 That's you guys. 00:20:01.514 --> 00:20:01.824 So… 00:20:02.126 --> 00:20:02.396 John: Yeah. 00:20:02.536 --> 00:20:03.986 We really appreciate that a lot. 00:20:03.986 --> 00:20:04.406 We really do. 00:20:05.049 --> 00:20:09.369 But our format makes, makes Wyoming Valley Ghost unique I feel. 00:20:09.806 --> 00:20:13.306 even, you know, like you guys said, and you know, a- as you know, we bring in 00:20:13.316 --> 00:20:17.166 a lot of different celebrities also, and they all tell us the same thing. 00:20:17.176 --> 00:20:21.676 Like, "Your, your format is very, very unique and fun." 00:20:22.176 --> 00:20:23.869 So we love hearing that. 00:20:24.349 --> 00:20:27.319 We're glad that we're doing things the way people enjoy 00:20:27.619 --> 00:20:28.009 Gab: Yeah. 00:20:28.426 --> 00:20:31.196 John: But it's important too because we ask a lot of questions. 00:20:31.576 --> 00:20:33.776 You know, like we'll, we'll do surveys. 00:20:33.786 --> 00:20:35.016 "What did you guys like about it? 00:20:35.176 --> 00:20:39.089 What would you like to see different?" You know, "Is there parts of it that you 00:20:39.089 --> 00:20:43.649 didn't enjoy?" 'Cause we always wanna give everyone the best experience so we're 00:20:43.659 --> 00:20:48.839 continuously learning on different ways to approach investigations with the public. 00:20:49.473 --> 00:20:51.583 Jody: I don't think I've ever had anybody say that they've had 00:20:51.583 --> 00:20:52.883 a bad experience with you guys. 00:20:53.013 --> 00:20:55.593 Honestly, everybody, even the skeptics, they walk out of there 00:20:55.593 --> 00:20:58.910 like, "Whoa, I don't know what I was doing tonight, but there's something 00:20:58.910 --> 00:21:00.550 to this." And then they come back. 00:21:01.040 --> 00:21:01.920 I see them coming back. 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:03.390 I see the same faces coming back. 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:04.910 I'm like, "Hey, I thought you were a skeptic. 00:21:06.170 --> 00:21:07.650 You're the guy that doesn't believe in this stuff. 00:21:07.650 --> 00:21:08.350 What's going on?" 00:21:09.074 --> 00:21:11.284 John: Yeah, exact- They're our favorite actually. 00:21:11.294 --> 00:21:12.194 We love that. 00:21:12.344 --> 00:21:14.184 And it's, I, we tell them all the time, right Keriann? 00:21:14.414 --> 00:21:16.964 It's not our job to change your mind. 00:21:17.014 --> 00:21:18.234 We're not gonna tell you anything. 00:21:18.634 --> 00:21:22.194 I want you to go out, and hopefully you leave this place scratching your head 00:21:22.194 --> 00:21:23.924 saying, "What the hell just happened?" 00:21:24.114 --> 00:21:25.424 And that's exactly what we love 00:21:25.938 --> 00:21:27.208 Gab: Yeah, definitely. 00:21:28.238 --> 00:21:32.588 So beyond the paranormal aspect, what do you hope that participants 00:21:32.598 --> 00:21:36.248 walk away with regarding the physical preservation and forgotten 00:21:36.248 --> 00:21:38.788 history of the sites that you visit 00:21:39.205 --> 00:21:40.295 Keriann: A good experience 00:21:40.635 --> 00:21:42.445 John: That's, that's exactly what we're looking. 00:21:42.465 --> 00:21:46.075 For them to come out, like you said, they had a great experience, 00:21:46.425 --> 00:21:49.005 they had a good night out with their friends or their family. 00:21:49.325 --> 00:21:52.415 They learned a little bit of history, and they got to go out and explore 00:21:52.415 --> 00:21:55.105 and do something cool- Mm … that most people don't get to do. 00:21:55.245 --> 00:21:58.765 Like we tell people, "You may not get anything here tonight." Right. 00:21:58.765 --> 00:21:59.105 Right? 00:21:59.255 --> 00:21:59.495 Keriann: Yep. 00:21:59.545 --> 00:22:02.045 John: Because investigating, a lot of times you don't. 00:22:02.055 --> 00:22:04.735 Like I e- we even tell people in the beginning, Keriann's like, "Wow, 00:22:04.735 --> 00:22:07.915 way to sell it, John." Because I'll be like, "You may not get anything. 00:22:08.035 --> 00:22:11.585 You probably won't." But that's just how investigating goes, 00:22:11.585 --> 00:22:12.605 so you need to be patient. 00:22:12.625 --> 00:22:13.955 You have to have an open mind. 00:22:14.205 --> 00:22:14.815 Come in and do it. 00:22:14.815 --> 00:22:17.865 But we just hope people go in, have a great time, and they have something 00:22:17.865 --> 00:22:20.385 to talk about, especially when they go back to work on Monday, because 00:22:20.385 --> 00:22:23.865 they're doing something way cooler than probably all of their other, 00:22:24.215 --> 00:22:24.575 Keriann: Co-workers 00:22:24.775 --> 00:22:25.525 … John: co-workers 00:22:25.837 --> 00:22:26.267 Jody: Yeah. 00:22:26.865 --> 00:22:27.645 John: over the weekend 00:22:28.336 --> 00:22:30.787 Jody: I love when you have, one person in a group will have an 00:22:30.788 --> 00:22:32.571 experience and no one else does. 00:22:33.682 --> 00:22:33.702 Keriann: Yeah. 00:22:33.712 --> 00:22:33.922 John: Yep. 00:22:34.088 --> 00:22:34.888 Jody: They brush it off. 00:22:34.918 --> 00:22:36.711 They're like, " maybe it's just my head." You know what I mean? 00:22:37.431 --> 00:22:41.661 But the more I do this, the personal experience is like kinda like the 00:22:41.661 --> 00:22:43.461 meat and potatoes of the paranormal. 00:22:44.461 --> 00:22:46.581 You know, you always have that one person that picks up on 00:22:46.581 --> 00:22:48.071 something that no one else has it. 00:22:48.071 --> 00:22:49.941 And that doesn't discount their experience because it was 00:22:49.941 --> 00:22:51.161 meant to be personal for them. 00:22:51.386 --> 00:22:51.966 John: Absolutely 00:22:52.111 --> 00:22:52.801 Jody: I love that. 00:22:52.921 --> 00:22:54.321 And I've seen that so many times 00:22:54.824 --> 00:22:55.064 John: Yeah. 00:22:55.064 --> 00:22:58.684 And, and we'll never, we'll always… I mean, we have no reason not to 00:22:58.684 --> 00:23:01.044 believe them because there's stuff that's happened to Keriann, right? 00:23:01.104 --> 00:23:01.454 Keriann: Mm-hmm. 00:23:01.564 --> 00:23:03.534 John: Stuff that's happened to myself that nobody else 00:23:03.534 --> 00:23:04.854 experienced, like you just said. 00:23:05.124 --> 00:23:06.084 But it was meant for us. 00:23:06.104 --> 00:23:07.384 It wasn't meant for anybody else. 00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:08.290 Jody: Right. 00:23:08.984 --> 00:23:09.314 John: you know? 00:23:09.344 --> 00:23:10.834 And that's just how it goes. 00:23:10.834 --> 00:23:13.834 So if somebody tells us a story, we're like, "That's incredible. 00:23:14.104 --> 00:23:16.094 We're glad that you were able to experience that. 00:23:16.314 --> 00:23:18.864 We're glad that was just for you." He's like, "Oh, people think 00:23:18.864 --> 00:23:20.904 we're cra-", I'm like, "Don't worry about anybody else says. 00:23:20.954 --> 00:23:22.164 That was for you that night. 00:23:22.694 --> 00:23:24.354 You take it and run with it. 00:23:24.364 --> 00:23:24.994 Enjoy it." 00:23:25.704 --> 00:23:26.032 Gab: Yeah. 00:23:26.278 --> 00:23:27.928 Jody: And you never know how it's gonna show up again 00:23:27.928 --> 00:23:29.398 later on with another patron. 00:23:29.750 --> 00:23:29.935 Gab: Yeah. 00:23:30.358 --> 00:23:31.129 Jody: Which happens 00:23:31.309 --> 00:23:31.839 Keriann: It does 00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:36.439 Gab: You guys have an event coming up in October, and I know we're really 00:23:36.439 --> 00:23:39.059 excited for it, Marked in Darkness. 00:23:39.409 --> 00:23:44.509 And I have to say, I'm a big fan of Hell House LLC, so I'm really 00:23:44.509 --> 00:23:45.849 looking forward to that panel. 00:23:46.779 --> 00:23:50.049 And this event feels different than the other events that you 00:23:50.049 --> 00:23:51.269 guys have done in the past. 00:23:51.269 --> 00:23:52.539 It feels a little bit bigger. 00:23:52.779 --> 00:23:55.419 So what was the inspiration behind this idea? 00:23:55.919 --> 00:23:58.869 John: Well, I think for the love of oddities and horror 00:23:58.869 --> 00:24:00.699 that Keriann and I both have. 00:24:01.089 --> 00:24:03.859 number one though, is supporting local business. 00:24:04.179 --> 00:24:08.649 And all of these vendors that come to our event, we give them the 00:24:08.649 --> 00:24:10.779 opportunity for them to be seen. 00:24:10.789 --> 00:24:13.869 We give them the opportunity for them to show their talents, and be 00:24:13.869 --> 00:24:15.379 able to showcase those products. 00:24:15.809 --> 00:24:18.719 And that people get to be like, "Wow, did you see so-and-so? Man, they 00:24:18.719 --> 00:24:21.409 make amazing stuff." Now they're following their Facebook page. 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:22.889 Now they're telling their friends. 00:24:22.889 --> 00:24:24.109 Their businesses are growing. 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:28.359 'Cause it's really important for Keriann and I, like I said, to support everything 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:31.979 around us, but that also means other small businesses, just like what we are. 00:24:32.429 --> 00:24:34.209 So that's like number one for us. 00:24:34.769 --> 00:24:38.822 Two, we like to bring unique experiences to the area, like you said. 00:24:38.932 --> 00:24:41.792 And we wanna build Marked in Darkness, large. 00:24:42.402 --> 00:24:46.252 We wanna build it exciting, more and more each year, bigger and bigger each year, 00:24:46.602 --> 00:24:49.822 because we wanna create a destination right here in Northeastern Pennsylvania. 00:24:50.202 --> 00:24:51.942 And I think that we're gonna be able to do it. 00:24:52.382 --> 00:24:55.362 And what I mean by a destination is every year people are like, "I can't 00:24:55.362 --> 00:24:58.272 wait, Marked in Darkness is coming up next year. I wonder what they're 00:24:58.272 --> 00:25:01.402 gonna have this time." And we just get more and more, and people start coming 00:25:01.402 --> 00:25:03.932 from the tri-state area, which we actually are, are starting to get now. 00:25:03.932 --> 00:25:07.629 But we wanna build a, we wanna build a very, very large, you know, 00:25:07.629 --> 00:25:09.759 convention so to speak here, or expo 00:25:10.425 --> 00:25:12.628 Jody: And you can't forget about the namesake, There's gonna be 00:25:12.628 --> 00:25:13.993 some tattoo artists there, right? 00:25:14.143 --> 00:25:14.513 Gab: Yeah. 00:25:14.628 --> 00:25:15.078 Keriann: Yes 00:25:15.602 --> 00:25:15.788 John: Yeah. 00:25:15.788 --> 00:25:16.288 for sure 00:25:16.304 --> 00:25:18.524 Keriann: Flash tattoo artist by Urban, decay 00:25:18.774 --> 00:25:18.884 John: Nope 00:25:19.058 --> 00:25:19.688 Keriann: Or Urban 00:25:20.688 --> 00:25:22.368 John: She has her makeup on her mind 00:25:22.368 --> 00:25:22.858 Keriann: Yeah. 00:25:23.858 --> 00:25:26.558 John: Cause she's very upset because there was one that she uses. 00:25:26.558 --> 00:25:27.168 What's it called? 00:25:28.088 --> 00:25:28.738 Keriann: Uh, Uzi 00:25:28.878 --> 00:25:29.348 John: Uzi 00:25:29.508 --> 00:25:29.868 Keriann: Yeah. 00:25:30.488 --> 00:25:31.418 John: And she can't find it 00:25:31.548 --> 00:25:31.778 Keriann: Yeah. 00:25:31.788 --> 00:25:32.658 Gab: Oh man. 00:25:33.924 --> 00:25:35.194 Have you tried like Depop? 00:25:35.770 --> 00:25:36.860 Keriann: No I have not. 00:25:37.796 --> 00:25:39.082 Gab: My girls are obsessed with that. 00:25:40.670 --> 00:25:41.510 John: Oh man. 00:25:42.220 --> 00:25:43.740 But no, it, it's Urban's Edge. 00:25:43.810 --> 00:25:44.280 Keriann: Urban's Edge. 00:25:44.280 --> 00:25:48.120 John: Uh, Urban's Edge Tattoo Care, and they have, a group of amazing artists- 00:25:48.120 --> 00:25:48.380 Keriann: Yes 00:25:48.380 --> 00:25:52.210 … John: that'll be there that night, doing some flash tattoos throughout the event. 00:25:52.580 --> 00:25:55.224 Keriann: And they have not released their flash, pictures yet. 00:25:55.264 --> 00:25:57.594 I don't think that they're going to prior to our event. 00:25:57.594 --> 00:25:59.654 John: Yeah, a few people have been asking, "Well what's it gonna be? 00:25:59.654 --> 00:26:01.084 What's it gonna be?" I'm like, "I don't know. 00:26:01.174 --> 00:26:01.684 Come on in. 00:26:01.684 --> 00:26:02.104 Check it out. 00:26:02.114 --> 00:26:04.214 Hopefully it's something that you enjoy when you get here." But, 00:26:04.824 --> 00:26:06.314 this event, yeah, it's bigger. 00:26:06.344 --> 00:26:10.904 We're, we're starting off more than our usual, you know, vendor show. 00:26:10.904 --> 00:26:14.924 This is 70 vendors, spans over four floors of the Cultural Center. 00:26:15.294 --> 00:26:20.320 As you mentioned, we have the Hell House LLC, panel discussion, where, Stephen 00:26:20.320 --> 00:26:24.400 Cognetti and Robert Savakinas, the writer, producer, technical director. 00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:28.017 We're also gonna have, the cast from the Hell House, franchise. 00:26:28.047 --> 00:26:31.357 Not everyone, but there's gonna be several cast members that'll be there. 00:26:31.367 --> 00:26:36.807 And one thing we're super excited about also is we're bringing in a 12-piece 00:26:36.877 --> 00:26:43.037 Gothic funerary, orchestra, that's gonna be putting on a show, which is included 00:26:43.047 --> 00:26:47.667 in your $10 admission, uh, on the main stage, where they're going to be playing, 00:26:48.047 --> 00:26:54.347 um, you know, horror musical scores and their own, their own, um, original music. 00:26:54.527 --> 00:26:58.077 And they're gonna do some just like really cool creepy Halloween stuff. 00:26:58.077 --> 00:27:00.217 Put on like a big spook show like the guy told us. 00:27:00.217 --> 00:27:00.527 So- 00:27:01.207 --> 00:27:02.747 Keriann: The Divine Hand Ensemble. 00:27:02.777 --> 00:27:03.027 John: Yep. 00:27:03.307 --> 00:27:07.827 We're super excited for those guys, 'cause they're, they're really top class. 00:27:07.827 --> 00:27:11.107 They put on some really, really, uh, great concerts, and we're 00:27:11.107 --> 00:27:12.547 really proud that we have them here. 00:27:12.577 --> 00:27:14.204 Keriann: One of them's a theremin. 00:27:14.204 --> 00:27:15.297 John: A thereminist, yeah. 00:27:15.517 --> 00:27:17.087 And if you guys aren't familiar with a, with a, with 00:27:17.087 --> 00:27:17.427 a… 00:27:17.661 --> 00:27:18.521 Jody: I do know what that is. 00:27:19.897 --> 00:27:22.047 John: I cannot wait to see this live. 00:27:22.117 --> 00:27:22.687 Right, Keriann? 00:27:22.727 --> 00:27:23.007 Keriann: Yeah. 00:27:23.177 --> 00:27:24.297 John: It's, it's gonna be great. 00:27:24.791 --> 00:27:26.311 we're just super, super pumped for it. 00:27:26.321 --> 00:27:29.794 We also have Empty Caskets Museum of Mystics and Mediums. 00:27:29.844 --> 00:27:29.894 Keriann: Yep. 00:27:30.244 --> 00:27:33.458 John: They're gonna have over 200, Ouija boards going back to 00:27:33.458 --> 00:27:35.538 the 1800's up till current day. 00:27:36.024 --> 00:27:38.934 They have a lot of different objects there from around the world, that 00:27:38.934 --> 00:27:42.272 they're gonna be able to share these, haunted objects so to speak, or alleged 00:27:42.272 --> 00:27:43.932 haunted objects they're gonna have there. 00:27:44.322 --> 00:27:45.542 Keriann: The Iron Gate Museum. 00:27:45.552 --> 00:27:48.469 John: Yep, then we have The Iron Gate: Home for, Haunted Relics. 00:27:48.509 --> 00:27:52.169 That gentleman put together like a great exhibit for people to walk through. 00:27:52.509 --> 00:27:55.719 So all this stuff here is all included for $10, admission. 00:27:56.299 --> 00:27:57.919 So I hope a lot of people come out. 00:27:57.919 --> 00:28:00.809 I hope a lot of people enjoy what we are trying to put together. 00:28:00.887 --> 00:28:01.837 Jody: Yeah, you can't beat that. 00:28:01.977 --> 00:28:03.147 $10 for a day out. 00:28:03.647 --> 00:28:04.537 Yeah, that's amazing. 00:28:05.097 --> 00:28:07.457 Gab: And for something of that scale. 00:28:07.977 --> 00:28:12.687 Like you have so many things to participate in for a small ticket price. 00:28:13.327 --> 00:28:13.787 Can't beat that. 00:28:13.855 --> 00:28:14.205 John: Yeah. 00:28:15.490 --> 00:28:18.465 And we always try to keep everything reasonable no matter what we do 00:28:18.475 --> 00:28:23.415 because we understand, like we always try to, oh, can a family come 00:28:23.415 --> 00:28:24.575 out and have a good time for this? 00:28:24.575 --> 00:28:25.595 That's what we always look for. 00:28:25.615 --> 00:28:29.805 'Cause, you know, stuff gets outrageous, and it's not easy to 00:28:29.805 --> 00:28:31.195 bring out, say, a family of four. 00:28:31.265 --> 00:28:31.985 It's like, man, oh, man. 00:28:32.225 --> 00:28:34.955 But yeah, everything that we do, we try to keep, everything affordable 00:28:34.975 --> 00:28:38.115 for people to just come out and have a great day and enjoy themselves 00:28:39.134 --> 00:28:40.515 Gab: We're really looking forward to it. 00:28:40.925 --> 00:28:41.675 I'm excited. 00:28:43.091 --> 00:28:43.351 John: Yeah. 00:28:43.351 --> 00:28:44.521 And the word's getting out there. 00:28:44.701 --> 00:28:47.955 I think we're up over 4,700 people interested. 00:28:48.325 --> 00:28:49.125 Gab: Oh, wow 00:28:49.671 --> 00:28:51.941 John: Yeah, so that's a good number for people to be interested. 00:28:51.941 --> 00:28:53.411 So it's getting out there for sure. 00:28:53.544 --> 00:28:53.989 Gab: Yeah. 00:28:54.989 --> 00:28:58.479 So what are some personal paranormal experiences that 00:28:58.489 --> 00:28:59.734 really stand out for you both? 00:28:59.734 --> 00:29:00.001 John: You wanna start Keriann? 00:29:01.322 --> 00:29:01.912 Keriann: You go ahead. 00:29:02.252 --> 00:29:05.647 John: Uh, as Wyoming Valley Ghost Tours 00:29:06.461 --> 00:29:07.911 Jody: Oh, that'd be amazing 00:29:07.961 --> 00:29:08.491 actually. 00:29:08.531 --> 00:29:08.581 Gab: Yeah. 00:29:08.693 --> 00:29:09.033 Yeah. 00:29:09.043 --> 00:29:09.921 Jody: If you wanna share some of that. 00:29:09.921 --> 00:29:10.778 Yeah, that'd be great 00:29:11.165 --> 00:29:16.445 John: one that just sticks with me is when we were at Carbondale City Hall 00:29:17.065 --> 00:29:18.655 and we were doing the Estes method. 00:29:18.715 --> 00:29:21.675 And by the way, if people who don't know what the Estes method is, you 00:29:21.675 --> 00:29:23.975 have to give credit to Connor, um- 00:29:24.455 --> 00:29:24.985 Keriann: Connor Randall- 00:29:25.005 --> 00:29:25.205 John: yeah 00:29:25.305 --> 00:29:26.215 … Keriann: Karl Pfeiffer. 00:29:26.299 --> 00:29:28.799 Jody: We actually did an episode about the Estes method and 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:29.978 we, we kinda threw them …a 00:29:30.509 --> 00:29:30.879 Gab: Yeah 00:29:31.679 --> 00:29:31.699 Jody: t 00:29:31.981 --> 00:29:32.901 John: I mean, you have to. 00:29:32.911 --> 00:29:35.941 I mean, they came up with it- it's a great technique. 00:29:35.941 --> 00:29:38.271 It's, it's something that it works. 00:29:38.281 --> 00:29:39.191 It legitimately works. 00:29:39.191 --> 00:29:41.431 So I mean, they need to definitely have the credit for this. 00:29:41.431 --> 00:29:43.991 But, you know, we're, we're doing the Estes Method. 00:29:43.991 --> 00:29:46.641 I know a lot of people just use, they'll say spirit box, um- 00:29:46.641 --> 00:29:47.201 Keriann: Sessions 00:29:47.201 --> 00:29:49.141 John: sessions, which, you know, whatever. 00:29:49.141 --> 00:29:49.941 It is what it is. 00:29:49.941 --> 00:29:52.411 But if you're gonna use the word, you know, use that term, 00:29:52.441 --> 00:29:54.981 Estes, you have to give credit, and we do at every single event. 00:29:55.501 --> 00:29:59.781 So but I remember doing the Estes Method in, at the Carbondale 00:29:59.781 --> 00:30:02.381 City Hall, and we had a group. 00:30:02.491 --> 00:30:03.281 It was a smaller group. 00:30:03.281 --> 00:30:04.791 There was only four people in that group. 00:30:05.521 --> 00:30:09.651 And the one woman sitting to my left, she goes, "I wanna try it." And then she's 00:30:09.651 --> 00:30:12.711 like, "Oh, no, no, I don't wanna try it." So this other woman, she's like, "Okay, 00:30:12.721 --> 00:30:14.871 I'll take it." So she goes down this hall. 00:30:14.871 --> 00:30:17.541 We kinda keep them separated, from the rest of the group so there's no 00:30:17.651 --> 00:30:19.631 noise pollution, anything like that. 00:30:19.641 --> 00:30:22.801 Now, we also do use noise-reduction headphones. 00:30:22.891 --> 00:30:24.891 We also have that spirit box connected to it. 00:30:24.891 --> 00:30:28.931 So what we use, it's really tough to hear anyways out, you know, your outside world. 00:30:29.251 --> 00:30:31.025 So we're asking questions. 00:30:31.215 --> 00:30:33.685 You know, we had this one woman, the one that was sitting to my left. 00:30:33.685 --> 00:30:36.285 She introduced herself, and she said, "Is there anybody here 00:30:36.285 --> 00:30:37.445 that would like to talk to me?" 00:30:38.035 --> 00:30:41.295 And you know, it's not, like, instantaneous, but after, like, maybe 00:30:41.295 --> 00:30:48.955 30 seconds, the woman down there that's under, she said, "Mom." So 00:30:48.975 --> 00:30:50.745 instantly I see her start to well up. 00:30:51.645 --> 00:30:54.705 And she's going on and on asking questions. 00:30:54.805 --> 00:30:59.785 And she goes, "You know I love you, right?" And the lady goes, "Yes, I know." 00:31:00.785 --> 00:31:02.915 And the one lady said, "Is this your son?" 00:31:02.925 --> 00:31:05.415 The one person to my right, she goes, "Is this your son?" She goes, "I believe 00:31:05.415 --> 00:31:09.005 it is." And she goes How were you hurt? 00:31:09.035 --> 00:31:09.975 What happened to you? 00:31:10.835 --> 00:31:13.719 And the lady goes, "Bike." And that was it. 00:31:13.749 --> 00:31:15.879 It just took … She didn't know what to do. 00:31:15.909 --> 00:31:17.269 She was crying, crying. 00:31:18.019 --> 00:31:24.939 And she goes, "Is this Michael?" " Yes." So this woman, her son 00:31:24.959 --> 00:31:26.409 unfortunately had passed away 00:31:26.639 --> 00:31:27.929 Keriann: Like the week or two before? 00:31:28.109 --> 00:31:29.159 John: Couple weeks prior. 00:31:29.349 --> 00:31:29.369 Keriann: Yeah. 00:31:29.379 --> 00:31:31.943 John: Maybe a month, uh, in a motorcycle accident. 00:31:32.889 --> 00:31:36.479 So for that to come through, and the woman that was down there doing the method, 00:31:36.529 --> 00:31:43.209 the one that was, you know, under to make communication, um, with her son- 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:44.199 Keriann: But they weren't friends 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:45.029 … John: they weren't friends. 00:31:45.029 --> 00:31:45.959 They didn't know each other. 00:31:45.959 --> 00:31:49.069 It was just strangers that happened to be grouped together. 00:31:49.639 --> 00:31:51.699 So that was my favorite experience. 00:31:51.709 --> 00:31:51.729 Yeah. 00:31:52.075 --> 00:31:54.135 because someone got a personal connection, you know? 00:31:54.145 --> 00:31:58.705 And I always feel like our loved ones are always there watching over us. 00:31:58.725 --> 00:31:59.495 They're next to us. 00:31:59.495 --> 00:32:04.925 And now her son had the opportunity to speak and talk to his mom 00:32:04.925 --> 00:32:06.035 and let him know that he's okay. 00:32:06.035 --> 00:32:08.905 'Cause it just went on and on that he's fine and he loves her. 00:32:08.905 --> 00:32:12.822 And, And I'm not using proper names, you know, just 'cause I 00:32:12.822 --> 00:32:14.262 didn't know if they'd want that out. 00:32:14.572 --> 00:32:20.745 But, that was my most connected feeling, the one that really, really made me 00:32:20.745 --> 00:32:22.955 take a step back and I don't know. 00:32:22.955 --> 00:32:24.035 I don't know how else to describe it. 00:32:24.035 --> 00:32:25.325 I'm getting, like, teary-eyed now. 00:32:25.351 --> 00:32:26.031 Gab: Yeah. 00:32:26.121 --> 00:32:27.521 That had to be so comforting for her. 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:28.439 John: Sure. 00:32:28.469 --> 00:32:28.729 Yeah. 00:32:28.729 --> 00:32:30.989 It definitely, helped her out, for sure. 00:32:30.989 --> 00:32:34.189 So that was, that was my favorite experience that I've had, most 00:32:34.189 --> 00:32:41.319 meaningful experience of 235 Wyoming Valley Ghost Tour events 00:32:43.389 --> 00:32:47.059 Jody: I remember, when you guys had one of your earlier events that we went to. 00:32:47.069 --> 00:32:49.359 It was probably in, like I said, 2019, 2020. 00:32:49.719 --> 00:32:51.119 I think it was at the library actually. 00:32:51.129 --> 00:32:54.416 And there was a woman there that was going on about someone passing 00:32:54.416 --> 00:32:56.259 away in an automobile accident. 00:32:57.109 --> 00:33:00.659 And it really connected with one of the people in our group, or I think it may 00:33:00.659 --> 00:33:03.986 have actually been one of the maintenance people that was listening along 00:33:04.196 --> 00:33:05.556 I don't remember exactly. 00:33:05.596 --> 00:33:06.016 So… 00:33:06.016 --> 00:33:06.926 Keriann: At the Albright Library? 00:33:07.114 --> 00:33:07.684 Jody: Yes 00:33:08.246 --> 00:33:09.876 Keriann: Yeah, I do remember that 00:33:10.110 --> 00:33:11.760 Jody: Yeah, that was, that was wild. 00:33:11.810 --> 00:33:12.600 That was really wild. 00:33:12.600 --> 00:33:15.100 That whole group was kind of, you know, 00:33:15.502 --> 00:33:15.844 Gab: Yeah. 00:33:15.844 --> 00:33:17.904 Jody: teary-eyed and, that really had an effect on them. 00:33:18.511 --> 00:33:19.571 John: it, it really does. 00:33:19.991 --> 00:33:25.431 When you get to connect with something like that, you know, at that level, 00:33:26.431 --> 00:33:27.571 it's just real- I don't know, man. 00:33:27.571 --> 00:33:28.691 I don't even know how to describe it. 00:33:28.691 --> 00:33:32.951 It's such an amazing feeling to know that you're actually able to 00:33:33.071 --> 00:33:36.991 communicate with someone who has connection to someone that's passed. 00:33:36.991 --> 00:33:37.571 I, I don't know. 00:33:37.761 --> 00:33:39.471 It, it's just an amazing feeling. 00:33:39.971 --> 00:33:43.281 And I'm the first to admit, man, I get emotional with this stuff Right, Keriann? 00:33:43.321 --> 00:33:43.901 Keriann: Mm-hmm. 00:33:43.901 --> 00:33:48.823 John: I really do, just because of like thinking back, like my parents, 00:33:48.823 --> 00:33:52.143 what they went through losing their, their children, me losing my parents. 00:33:52.453 --> 00:33:55.643 So anything like that happens, if someone able, uh, if someone's able to 00:33:55.643 --> 00:33:59.893 get that communication with their loved ones makes me feel really, really good 00:34:00.366 --> 00:34:04.446 Gab: Yeah, and there's a lot too, I feel like, surrounded around people who 00:34:04.456 --> 00:34:06.466 have experienced trauma in their lives. 00:34:07.406 --> 00:34:07.816 John: Mm-hmm. 00:34:09.596 --> 00:34:09.636 Gab: Yeah. 00:34:09.636 --> 00:34:09.786 In different ways. 00:34:09.786 --> 00:34:11.226 Like they're kind of a little bit more… 00:34:11.256 --> 00:34:11.616 Jody: Open to it. 00:34:11.666 --> 00:34:14.166 Gab: They open the veil a little bit more than other people. 00:34:14.377 --> 00:34:15.247 John: Yeah, there's no doubt. 00:34:15.297 --> 00:34:16.097 We've experienced it. 00:34:16.417 --> 00:34:17.097 Keriann: Mm-hmm. 00:34:17.097 --> 00:34:18.077 John: Is there anything that stood out to you, Keriann? 00:34:18.097 --> 00:34:18.137 I 00:34:18.137 --> 00:34:22.277 Keriann: Was gonna say, so it wasn't necessarily a Wyoming Valley Ghost 00:34:22.287 --> 00:34:25.817 Tours, but it was after when we stayed at the Forty Fort Cemetery and we 00:34:25.817 --> 00:34:28.837 got that… We've, we've gotten some really good EVPs through Wyoming- 00:34:28.837 --> 00:34:28.847 John: Yeah 00:34:28.847 --> 00:34:29.797 Keriann: Valley Ghost Tours. 00:34:30.137 --> 00:34:34.847 But one of the best, most memorable- … EVPs was after a 00:34:34.847 --> 00:34:36.557 Wyoming Valley Ghost Tours event. 00:34:36.577 --> 00:34:36.887 The- 00:34:36.887 --> 00:34:37.116 John: Mm-hmm 00:34:37.347 --> 00:34:39.987 … Keriann: you, me, and our one friend, uh- 00:34:39.997 --> 00:34:40.587 John: Carrie, yeah 00:34:40.617 --> 00:34:43.807 … Keriann: teammate Carrie stayed after, and we were in the meeting house. 00:34:44.207 --> 00:34:46.567 And the EVP that we caught was- 00:34:47.007 --> 00:34:47.707 John: Mind-blowing 00:34:47.867 --> 00:34:48.097 Keriann: Yeah. 00:34:48.197 --> 00:34:49.387 It's amazing. 00:34:49.407 --> 00:34:49.627 Uh- 00:34:50.307 --> 00:34:50.997 John: It really is. 00:34:51.117 --> 00:34:51.367 Yeah. 00:34:51.467 --> 00:34:51.897 Um, 00:34:51.947 --> 00:34:55.797 Keriann: like- It sounds like somebody, we have the door closed, and it sounds like 00:34:55.797 --> 00:35:00.327 the meeting house door opens, and then it sounds like there's, like, footsteps- 00:35:00.587 --> 00:35:00.967 John: Mm-hmm 00:35:01.087 --> 00:35:01.727 … Keriann: walking. 00:35:01.757 --> 00:35:04.207 And then it sounds like they walk back. 00:35:04.737 --> 00:35:08.591 And then there's knocks At the door 00:35:08.591 --> 00:35:08.701 John: Yeah. 00:35:08.701 --> 00:35:09.241 Yeah, that was- It's 00:35:09.311 --> 00:35:11.321 Keriann: crazy It, yeah But there's nobody there 00:35:12.034 --> 00:35:13.361 John: was really something. 00:35:13.431 --> 00:35:15.431 I mean, those doors, I don't know if they're original, 00:35:15.441 --> 00:35:16.681 but they're definitely old. 00:35:16.891 --> 00:35:21.091 And the locking mechanism and handle on them, it's, it's 00:35:21.091 --> 00:35:23.561 very loose, mechanism inside. 00:35:23.561 --> 00:35:25.051 If you know, there's like a ton of play. 00:35:25.051 --> 00:35:27.221 It's not accurate, you know, when you turn it. 00:35:27.481 --> 00:35:32.281 And it makes a very unique, sound, like a, a jiggling noise I guess you would 00:35:32.281 --> 00:35:34.221 say, and like metal clanging together. 00:35:34.851 --> 00:35:36.111 And that was it 100%. 00:35:36.151 --> 00:35:38.771 Like, there is no denying that's what that sound was. 00:35:38.781 --> 00:35:41.711 Keriann: It sounds to, when we originally heard it, it 00:35:41.711 --> 00:35:43.401 kinda sounds like it's a child. 00:35:43.461 --> 00:35:43.921 Like- 00:35:44.061 --> 00:35:44.201 John: Yeah 00:35:44.201 --> 00:35:44.921 … Keriann: not an adult. 00:35:44.931 --> 00:35:45.321 John: Right. 00:35:45.351 --> 00:35:48.841 Keriann: It sounds like it's almost like a child, like, kind of running, and 00:35:48.841 --> 00:35:50.881 then running back, and then knocking. 00:35:51.221 --> 00:35:51.461 John: Yeah. 00:35:51.461 --> 00:35:54.031 And, and the reason why we say child, it sounded like a child, is 00:35:54.071 --> 00:35:57.081 because, like, you know, if you watch a toddler run, it's kinda like back 00:35:57.081 --> 00:36:00.071 and forth, stomp their feet when they're that's sound that it made. 00:36:00.581 --> 00:36:00.881 You know? 00:36:00.891 --> 00:36:04.381 It wasn't like how an adult would walk or an adult would run. 00:36:04.381 --> 00:36:09.131 It had a very specific pattern of how a toddler would run with those little, with, 00:36:09.191 --> 00:36:10.804 you know, stomping their feet basically. 00:36:11.174 --> 00:36:11.526 Keriann: Yeah. 00:36:11.814 --> 00:36:15.864 That's one of the… I mean, like I said, we've gotten some really 00:36:15.864 --> 00:36:18.554 good EVPs with Wyoming Valley Ghost Tours, but that's probably my 00:36:18.554 --> 00:36:21.034 favorite EVP that we've ever gotten. 00:36:21.424 --> 00:36:24.574 John: And I think the second, in my opinion, one that sticks out to 00:36:24.574 --> 00:36:28.124 me the most when it comes to EVP, is another class A one that we got. 00:36:28.464 --> 00:36:30.594 We went to this church, it's called The Church of the Damned. 00:36:30.594 --> 00:36:31.894 And how it got that name, I don't know. 00:36:31.894 --> 00:36:35.404 I think it was given a name by the locals, you know, because there's a legend 00:36:35.404 --> 00:36:37.214 that someone had, you know, died there. 00:36:37.214 --> 00:36:40.534 And it is attached to a graveyard, so, you know, whatever. 00:36:40.564 --> 00:36:45.764 But I don't really know the full story of how it got that name, other than I think 00:36:45.764 --> 00:36:48.404 it was kids, you know, because they were scared because of the graveyard there, and 00:36:48.414 --> 00:36:50.104 they up with The, called it The Damned. 00:36:50.114 --> 00:36:51.954 But anyways, we were in there. 00:36:52.184 --> 00:36:53.834 And it's very, very small. 00:36:54.624 --> 00:36:57.284 Maybe, I can't even, I, I don't, I couldn't even tell you the 00:36:57.284 --> 00:36:58.474 size of it to be honest with you. 00:36:58.474 --> 00:37:02.144 But we're sitting there in the pews, and we're asking questions. 00:37:02.154 --> 00:37:03.464 And we weren't getting anything at all. 00:37:03.464 --> 00:37:05.214 And I said, "You know what? Let's just see what we can do here." So we 00:37:05.214 --> 00:37:09.511 started playing some, some music that you would typically find at a service. 00:37:10.014 --> 00:37:17.337 We're playing and we stop, but what was really cool is when we stopped 00:37:17.337 --> 00:37:20.257 the music and then we went back and listened, it sounded like there 00:37:20.257 --> 00:37:24.437 were 100 people in there- … that all sat back down at the same time. 00:37:24.437 --> 00:37:25.747 You can hear, like, the wood creaking. 00:37:26.427 --> 00:37:26.867 Jody: Oh, wow 00:37:27.717 --> 00:37:30.537 John: Yeah, it was absolutely insane. 00:37:30.567 --> 00:37:32.467 I could not believe what we were hearing. 00:37:32.467 --> 00:37:33.247 I, I really can't. 00:37:33.257 --> 00:37:33.827 And you know what? 00:37:34.097 --> 00:37:35.157 I think we need to share this. 00:37:35.157 --> 00:37:38.607 We need to go back through our, our data and just share these EVPs. 00:37:38.647 --> 00:37:38.937 Keriann: Yeah. 00:37:38.937 --> 00:37:39.177 We could- 00:37:39.177 --> 00:37:39.497 John: Again 00:37:39.667 --> 00:37:42.457 Keriann: We did share them once, but it's been a long time, so. 00:37:42.837 --> 00:37:45.407 yeah, it does sound like they… Yeah. 00:37:45.667 --> 00:37:46.007 John: Mm-hmm. 00:37:46.567 --> 00:37:46.837 Keriann: Yeah, 00:37:46.837 --> 00:37:51.467 John: it's- And that makes a very distinct sound, when people stand or sit back down 00:37:51.637 --> 00:37:51.887 Jody: oh yeah 00:37:51.887 --> 00:37:52.767 John: when you're at a service 00:37:52.767 --> 00:37:53.197 Jody: Absolutely. 00:37:53.197 --> 00:37:54.805 All the, all the cracking and the shuffling. 00:37:54.805 --> 00:37:55.755 Yeah, absolutely 00:37:55.945 --> 00:37:56.235 John: Yep. 00:37:56.665 --> 00:37:57.505 And that's what we caught. 00:37:57.695 --> 00:37:58.562 It was, pretty amazing 00:37:59.524 --> 00:38:01.104 Jody: Yeah, churches are weird. 00:38:01.194 --> 00:38:05.584 I remember we were on one investigation with you guys, at the children's library. 00:38:06.362 --> 00:38:06.722 John: Mm-hmm. 00:38:06.980 --> 00:38:11.664 Jody: And I think we got shuffling of papers with your Zoom mic Now that's 00:38:11.664 --> 00:38:15.556 interesting because it's a library for one, but it also used to be a church 00:38:16.556 --> 00:38:18.506 John: Yeah so you have that like residual, 00:38:18.636 --> 00:38:19.106 Jody: Yeah 00:38:19.416 --> 00:38:20.506 John: Yeah, it's pretty interesting. 00:38:20.556 --> 00:38:23.556 And that's why, like, we are very audio heavy. 00:38:23.896 --> 00:38:26.576 Even with Wyoming Valley Ghosts, we encourage EVPs. 00:38:26.846 --> 00:38:30.686 And that's why we always bring our, you know, a lot more advanced, um, recorders, 00:38:30.686 --> 00:38:34.346 just because there needs to be an EVP session with more advanced recorders. 00:38:34.346 --> 00:38:37.423 And then when we go out on an investigation, it's not just, 00:38:37.423 --> 00:38:39.813 like, one recorder and a microphone. 00:38:39.813 --> 00:38:40.887 It's 20 microphones. 00:38:41.631 --> 00:38:41.831 Jody: Yeah. 00:38:41.831 --> 00:38:44.847 We're, totally audio heavy too because we're an audio podcast first. 00:38:45.157 --> 00:38:50.161 And all that evidence, EVPs on recordings and you know, recorded Estes sessions, 00:38:50.161 --> 00:38:51.481 it just, it lends well to the show. 00:38:51.871 --> 00:38:52.121 Gab: Mm-hmm. 00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:53.010 John: For sure 00:38:53.263 --> 00:38:54.133 Jody: but sorry, continue. 00:38:55.392 --> 00:38:58.072 John: I was just gonna say like that we're just audio heavy because 00:38:58.072 --> 00:39:02.095 you get the, the most amazing results, uh, at times with audio. 00:39:02.095 --> 00:39:05.405 I mean, all of the devices that are out there, they have their place. 00:39:05.445 --> 00:39:05.475 Keriann: Mm-hmm. 00:39:05.475 --> 00:39:08.355 John: Like, don't get me wrong, they really do, and they're useful at times. 00:39:08.725 --> 00:39:12.825 But you gotta realize, almost everything picks up on EMFs, and 00:39:12.935 --> 00:39:15.265 anything can, activate them. 00:39:15.295 --> 00:39:18.155 Even a simple text message, somebody has their phone it's gonna, it's 00:39:18.165 --> 00:39:22.475 gonna, you know, Wi-Fi in the building, it's going to activate a K2 meter. 00:39:22.735 --> 00:39:26.945 So you have to really look for intelligent responses when you're using those pieces 00:39:26.945 --> 00:39:33.035 of equipment and what I mean by that is, if you get them to, you know, come over 00:39:33.035 --> 00:39:36.475 and interact with the equipment that you have, and they show their presence 00:39:36.485 --> 00:39:38.375 that way, ask them to do it again. 00:39:38.775 --> 00:39:41.555 See if You can get the same results multiple times. 00:39:41.583 --> 00:39:41.853 Jody: Yup 00:39:41.945 --> 00:39:44.355 John: and it may just be an intelligent response at that point. 00:39:44.463 --> 00:39:46.093 Jody: You have to use the equipment the right way. 00:39:46.590 --> 00:39:46.960 John: Right. 00:39:47.148 --> 00:39:47.328 Jody: Yeah. 00:39:47.718 --> 00:39:48.308 No, I get it. 00:39:48.458 --> 00:39:51.878 I, I mean, a… K2 meter, I'll use a K2 meter to find where 00:39:51.878 --> 00:39:53.108 the wiring is in a building. 00:39:53.108 --> 00:39:53.738 You know what I mean? 00:39:54.148 --> 00:39:56.938 I w- I've literally walked through thresholds where it starts going crazy, 00:39:56.938 --> 00:39:59.708 and then I'll, I'll trace out and, oh, there's, there's wiring up there. 00:39:59.708 --> 00:40:00.138 You know what I mean? 00:40:00.138 --> 00:40:02.998 Or, or there's a Wi-Fi router attached to the wall, you know? 00:40:03.218 --> 00:40:03.948 John: Yeah, for sure. 00:40:04.038 --> 00:40:04.878 Jody: So that's important. 00:40:05.098 --> 00:40:05.888 John: Oh yeah, definitely. 00:40:05.888 --> 00:40:08.608 You have to understand what the equipment does and, and what can make 00:40:08.608 --> 00:40:10.188 it, you know, go off, so to speak. 00:40:10.198 --> 00:40:11.718 'Cause there, there's lot of false positives. 00:40:12.008 --> 00:40:14.058 But audio, I don't know. 00:40:14.088 --> 00:40:15.748 You're sitting there, you're recording, you're asking 00:40:15.748 --> 00:40:17.058 questions, you get a response. 00:40:17.068 --> 00:40:18.608 Like, where the hell did that come from? 00:40:19.138 --> 00:40:20.978 Jody: Well, especially when the recorder's sitting on a table. 00:40:20.988 --> 00:40:23.388 Like I could see if you're holding it and you're manhandling it and it's rubbing 00:40:23.388 --> 00:40:26.998 up against your jacket, sometimes you get that like, you get that, uh, the effect. 00:40:27.028 --> 00:40:28.768 It's almost like a record, right? 00:40:28.778 --> 00:40:28.798 Gab: Mm-hmm. 00:40:28.808 --> 00:40:31.508 Jody: The vibrations from hitting like your, your zipper or something 00:40:31.508 --> 00:40:32.838 like that, and it sounds like a voice. 00:40:33.098 --> 00:40:36.584 But when it's sitting on a table and you're getting voices and knocks and stuff 00:40:36.584 --> 00:40:39.504 like that, that you didn't hear until you play it back, there's something to that. 00:40:39.554 --> 00:40:40.874 Audio's great, and I love audio. 00:40:40.924 --> 00:40:42.972 I love, I love recording EVP sessions 00:40:43.308 --> 00:40:43.498 John: Yeah. 00:40:43.498 --> 00:40:44.788 It's, it's, pretty fascinating. 00:40:44.788 --> 00:40:45.968 And that's why we tell everybody, right, Keriann? 00:40:45.968 --> 00:40:46.768 Keriann: Mm-hmm. 00:40:46.808 --> 00:40:49.058 John: Don't handle the recorder, just like you said. 00:40:49.438 --> 00:40:50.548 You never wanna touch it. 00:40:50.558 --> 00:40:54.658 Uh, take a seat, get yourself situated, get your creaks outta your chair, take 00:40:54.658 --> 00:40:58.358 a deep breath, relax, let your muscles go so you can be as quiet as possible. 00:40:59.088 --> 00:41:02.768 Hit that record button, sit back, wait 10 seconds for another settle, 00:41:03.448 --> 00:41:05.058 and go in and start asking questions. 00:41:05.448 --> 00:41:08.918 And you come back with some recordings, with some voices, 00:41:08.958 --> 00:41:10.888 and it's pretty hair-raising. 00:41:10.888 --> 00:41:11.708 It's, it's amazing 00:41:12.210 --> 00:41:16.491 Gab: Yeah it's really unique when you listen back and it like blows your mind. 00:41:16.491 --> 00:41:17.301 Jody: It literally does raise your hairs though. 00:41:17.301 --> 00:41:17.441 Gab: Yeah. 00:41:17.471 --> 00:41:17.531 Yeah. 00:41:17.531 --> 00:41:19.041 And you're like, "I can't explain that." 00:41:20.041 --> 00:41:20.071 Jody: Yep. 00:41:20.219 --> 00:41:20.399 John: Yeah 00:41:21.169 --> 00:41:22.189 Jody: So how about personal stories? 00:41:22.189 --> 00:41:25.559 Do you have any, any personal stories you wanna, you wanna share? 00:41:26.289 --> 00:41:30.489 John: Uh, well, here's one I don't understand. 00:41:30.579 --> 00:41:34.049 Like, the, the one that just sticks with me 00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:35.289 personally is- 00:41:35.337 --> 00:41:36.607 Jody: There's a lot of them I don't understand so feel… 00:41:37.549 --> 00:41:38.049 Keriann: I mean, 00:41:38.462 --> 00:41:41.762 John: There's so many that we've experienced. 00:41:41.812 --> 00:41:46.371 But one that always comes to mind I think when my mom passed on, 00:41:46.935 --> 00:41:48.735 she had her recipe book, right? 00:41:49.685 --> 00:41:54.755 And that recipe book goes back to the early 1900's when I said, I 00:41:54.755 --> 00:41:56.875 mentioned my, I don't know if I mentioned my, but I know I said my 00:41:56.875 --> 00:41:58.985 parents' home where they had that fire. 00:41:58.985 --> 00:42:00.385 But they also owned a bake shop. 00:42:00.795 --> 00:42:02.517 It Belucha's Home Style Bakery. 00:42:03.010 --> 00:42:06.770 And when my grandparents came here from, Czechoslovakia, 00:42:07.380 --> 00:42:09.690 it's everything from there. 00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:12.608 Like, the late 1800's, Belucha's Bakery. 00:42:12.618 --> 00:42:14.918 And you know, they came here and they brought it. 00:42:14.928 --> 00:42:17.688 And my grandfather opened up a bake shop. 00:42:17.688 --> 00:42:19.518 And you know, that's how my dad got into… 00:42:19.518 --> 00:42:23.428 He was, you know, it was just generation after generation, they were bakers. 00:42:23.778 --> 00:42:28.888 So there's a lot of recipes that are over 100 years old, you know, in, in this book. 00:42:29.028 --> 00:42:35.418 And when my mom passed on, we wanted to make her cookies. 00:42:35.428 --> 00:42:37.490 My mom loved making Christmas cookies. 00:42:38.178 --> 00:42:40.024 So you know, her, Italian cookies. 00:42:40.034 --> 00:42:40.974 My mom's Italian. 00:42:41.304 --> 00:42:44.308 There's just so many, recipes in there, like I said, and going back 00:42:44.308 --> 00:42:46.838 for our side of all the bakers. 00:42:46.858 --> 00:42:48.428 But I couldn't find it. 00:42:48.918 --> 00:42:50.268 It was driving me crazy. 00:42:50.298 --> 00:42:51.648 I was losing my mind. 00:42:52.018 --> 00:42:56.058 This was so important to me, I don't know how we lost it, 'cause we always 00:42:56.058 --> 00:42:57.768 kept it in a very specific space. 00:42:58.138 --> 00:43:00.458 And I know we were doing some work in the house, and maybe I took it. 00:43:00.458 --> 00:43:01.298 I'm like, "Oh, I need it. 00:43:01.318 --> 00:43:02.068 It'll stay here. 00:43:02.068 --> 00:43:02.688 It'll be safe. 00:43:02.688 --> 00:43:06.108 I'll remember where it is." And then I, then you lose it. But I 00:43:06.108 --> 00:43:09.828 don't ever remember doing that. But anyways, I was begging my mom 00:43:09.828 --> 00:43:11.588 one day "You have to help me out. 00:43:11.888 --> 00:43:12.818 I need this book. 00:43:12.818 --> 00:43:13.508 It's so important. 00:43:13.508 --> 00:43:18.058 I, we wanna make cookies." It took a couple days, and we found it. 00:43:18.138 --> 00:43:19.678 And here's what's really weird about it. 00:43:20.158 --> 00:43:24.618 Up above our stove, we have a cabinet there where all the goodies are. 00:43:24.638 --> 00:43:27.448 You know, cookies and cupcakes and stu- So that thing's used, 00:43:27.448 --> 00:43:28.858 like, all the time, right? 00:43:29.518 --> 00:43:31.470 We're always in and out of that cabinet. 00:43:31.886 --> 00:43:35.556 As often as I were in there, I would've noticed that book there 00:43:35.576 --> 00:43:38.396 getting cookies or cupcakes, 'cause it's all literally in there. 00:43:39.216 --> 00:43:42.136 So one day, I go over to there, and there's that book. 00:43:42.136 --> 00:43:42.916 It's sitting in there. 00:43:43.503 --> 00:43:43.993 I don't know. 00:43:44.043 --> 00:43:46.613 Look, I know it sounds crazy, and that's fine. 00:43:47.233 --> 00:43:51.773 But I don't know how it materialized and it got into that cabinet, especially 00:43:51.773 --> 00:43:56.463 since I used that cabinet just about every single day to get snacks. 00:43:57.023 --> 00:43:58.193 And one day it was just there. 00:43:58.706 --> 00:44:01.453 Gab: And you found it with the baked goods, which I think is so interesting 00:44:01.477 --> 00:44:01.677 John: Yeah 00:44:01.743 --> 00:44:04.863 Gab: the fact that your family had bakeries for generations. 00:44:05.363 --> 00:44:06.563 John: I didn't even think of it that way. 00:44:06.863 --> 00:44:07.453 You're right. 00:44:08.163 --> 00:44:09.823 I really didn't even think of it that way. 00:44:10.653 --> 00:44:12.833 Um, so I don't know how it happened. 00:44:13.373 --> 00:44:14.253 I asked Keriann first. 00:44:14.337 --> 00:44:15.057 I'm like, "Did you find it? 00:44:15.057 --> 00:44:18.417 Did you put this in here?" "No." She's like, "I have no idea what you're 00:44:18.447 --> 00:44:19.817 talking about." And I showed her. 00:44:20.477 --> 00:44:22.917 So that's remarkable. 00:44:22.927 --> 00:44:25.967 Like, that's just incredible how, I have no clue. 00:44:26.027 --> 00:44:27.147 I have no answer for it. 00:44:27.457 --> 00:44:31.399 All I know is that it's here, it's safe, and I will guard it till the day I die. 00:44:31.969 --> 00:44:32.369 Gab: Wow. 00:44:32.399 --> 00:44:32.859 Yeah. 00:44:32.999 --> 00:44:33.669 Jody: Great story. 00:44:34.129 --> 00:44:34.829 Gab: Yeah I love that. 00:44:35.385 --> 00:44:37.223 And I love that you have those recipes too 00:44:37.223 --> 00:44:38.213 that's amazing 00:44:38.912 --> 00:44:39.320 John: Yeah. 00:44:39.640 --> 00:44:43.020 I mean, my parents were well known for their nut and poppy seed roll. 00:44:43.020 --> 00:44:44.020 I mean, that's what it was. 00:44:44.450 --> 00:44:47.450 I mean, they were really well known for everything that they made, but the nut 00:44:47.450 --> 00:44:53.590 and poppy seed roll, that was like their number one item all the And like they 00:44:53.590 --> 00:44:57.290 were, of course, it was always big for, you know, Thanksgiving, for Christmas, 00:44:57.310 --> 00:44:58.150 Gab: Easter. 00:44:58.160 --> 00:44:58.690 Yeah. 00:44:59.330 --> 00:45:00.590 My dad's a baker too. 00:45:00.590 --> 00:45:01.210 We have that in common. 00:45:01.330 --> 00:45:02.130 John: Oh, okay. 00:45:02.140 --> 00:45:06.150 Gab: And then his stepdad was a baker, so he kind of like took it form him too. 00:45:06.150 --> 00:45:06.500 Yeah. 00:45:06.818 --> 00:45:07.678 Jody: Well, he retired. 00:45:08.068 --> 00:45:09.248 Gab: Yeah, he's retired but yeah. 00:45:09.248 --> 00:45:09.818 Jody: Who are we fooling? 00:45:09.818 --> 00:45:10.448 He's not retired. 00:45:10.448 --> 00:45:11.318 He still talks about it. 00:45:12.100 --> 00:45:12.140 Gab: You fool him. 00:45:12.140 --> 00:45:12.170 He's not retired. 00:45:12.170 --> 00:45:12.220 He still talks about it. 00:45:12.294 --> 00:45:12.633 John: I don't know. 00:45:12.633 --> 00:45:14.163 It's just something about the bakers, man. 00:45:14.163 --> 00:45:15.153 They just can't let it go. 00:45:15.153 --> 00:45:20.043 Like my dad, he baked and did things until he passed away at the age of 77. 00:45:20.043 --> 00:45:21.003 It's just a passion. 00:45:21.013 --> 00:45:22.123 He absolutely loved it. 00:45:22.491 --> 00:45:22.661 Gab: Yeah. 00:45:22.691 --> 00:45:23.051 definitely is, 00:45:23.051 --> 00:45:23.831 Jody: they're creators 00:45:24.071 --> 00:45:24.791 yeah, they're creators.. 00:45:24.881 --> 00:45:25.081 Gab: It's art. 00:45:25.317 --> 00:45:25.897 Jody: So- it is, yeah. 00:45:25.897 --> 00:45:26.327 It's art. 00:45:26.541 --> 00:45:26.567 Yeah. 00:45:26.567 --> 00:45:26.817 Gab: Yeah. 00:45:27.037 --> 00:45:27.977 John: They're like scientists. 00:45:27.977 --> 00:45:28.697 Like, no kidding. 00:45:28.827 --> 00:45:29.617 Like my dad 00:45:29.617 --> 00:45:29.897 Gab: Mm-hmm really. 00:45:29.937 --> 00:45:34.947 John: Like he knew how to adjust for temperature outside, what would make a… 00:45:35.037 --> 00:45:37.047 So my dad always told me consistency. 00:45:37.047 --> 00:45:38.167 Same thing like how we are. 00:45:38.517 --> 00:45:39.737 Data, data, data, data. 00:45:39.737 --> 00:45:40.807 You have to take data. 00:45:40.807 --> 00:45:42.147 You have to understand your environment. 00:45:42.177 --> 00:45:44.897 You have to d- my dad was the same way, but with baked goods. 00:45:45.417 --> 00:45:47.417 He would take notes over years. 00:45:47.417 --> 00:45:50.317 If it's like this temperature, this temperature, humidity levels 00:45:50.317 --> 00:45:52.447 at this, I have to add ice. 00:45:52.467 --> 00:45:53.837 I need to add warm water. 00:45:53.837 --> 00:45:55.507 I need to, you know, cold water. 00:45:55.507 --> 00:45:59.037 'Cause consistency is the key for no matter what you do. 00:45:59.077 --> 00:46:01.507 So y- you own that bake shop, it's gotta be consistent or 00:46:01.507 --> 00:46:02.557 you start losing customers. 00:46:02.557 --> 00:46:06.247 So he came up with ways to perfect it no matter what time of the year 00:46:06.257 --> 00:46:08.347 it was, and he really was spot on. 00:46:08.367 --> 00:46:10.277 He was like a scientist when it came to this stuff 00:46:10.987 --> 00:46:11.337 Gab: Yeah. 00:46:11.387 --> 00:46:12.567 My dad's the same way. 00:46:12.617 --> 00:46:14.917 And I am obsessed with sweets. 00:46:15.037 --> 00:46:18.365 It's like, I love to bake and I love to eat sweets. 00:46:18.745 --> 00:46:24.045 And just over 10 years ago, I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder 00:46:24.335 --> 00:46:28.785 that made me have to change my diet, so I had to eliminate a lot of really 00:46:28.785 --> 00:46:30.965 common foods that you would use to bake. 00:46:31.415 --> 00:46:35.455 And I was able to take the things that I learned from my dad to then 00:46:35.455 --> 00:46:39.045 be able to bake without, like, ingredients that you really need. 00:46:39.055 --> 00:46:39.085 John: Sure. 00:46:39.774 --> 00:46:41.958 Gab: So and I would ask him questions like, " Hey, if I do 00:46:41.958 --> 00:46:45.778 this, like, what should I do if I'm not using this ingredient?" like, 00:46:45.778 --> 00:46:48.858 he would be able to help me, like, make changes to make it better. 00:46:48.858 --> 00:46:53.088 So it really is a science and an art, and it's just so interesting. 00:46:54.088 --> 00:46:54.788 John: Yeah, for sure. 00:46:54.788 --> 00:46:56.128 I wish I had my dad's talent. 00:46:56.188 --> 00:46:59.348 I mean, I get it, but it'll never ta- it'll never taste the same. 00:46:59.432 --> 00:46:59.962 Gab: Yeah 00:47:00.008 --> 00:47:02.858 John: just not the same as my and my mom's 00:47:03.378 --> 00:47:04.338 Jody: How are you guys for time? 00:47:04.872 --> 00:47:05.452 John: We're fine. 00:47:05.452 --> 00:47:06.282 We have a little bit of time yet 00:47:06.782 --> 00:47:08.629 Jody: Cause I think Gabrielle has a few more for you. 00:47:08.725 --> 00:47:09.160 Gab: Yeah. 00:47:09.771 --> 00:47:12.491 you want to discuss our Hillview Manor investigation? 00:47:12.811 --> 00:47:16.801 John: So that was, oh man, that was a pretty… That whole place is 00:47:16.801 --> 00:47:18.971 just really unique, Hillview Manor. 00:47:19.765 --> 00:47:19.841 Gab: It is. 00:47:19.841 --> 00:47:22.771 John: Now I know we got, we split up with you guy- Like you guys 00:47:22.791 --> 00:47:24.471 went out, kinda did your own thing. 00:47:25.011 --> 00:47:27.191 So I don't really know 100% what happened. 00:47:27.251 --> 00:47:31.611 I don't remember all the stories completely, but I can share with what 00:47:31.791 --> 00:47:33.151 happened with our group for sure. 00:47:33.201 --> 00:47:34.371 But I'd like to hear your side. 00:47:34.651 --> 00:47:35.701 What did you experience? 00:47:35.797 --> 00:47:37.267 Gab: Yeah, and we'd love to hear yours too. 00:47:38.471 --> 00:47:38.705 We 00:47:38.705 --> 00:47:41.555 had a lot of real… Like, there were times… 00:47:42.557 --> 00:47:43.475 So here's how we'll start. 00:47:44.307 --> 00:47:44.447 Our- 00:47:44.447 --> 00:47:45.127 Jody: The beginning of the night. 00:47:45.137 --> 00:47:46.167 Gab: The beginning of the night. 00:47:46.505 --> 00:47:52.055 We were, I think, on the first floor, and we were down in, like, a hallway 00:47:52.055 --> 00:47:55.295 where I think they would see, like, shadow figures peeking out from rooms. 00:47:55.399 --> 00:47:55.965 Jody: And so on, yep. 00:47:56.045 --> 00:47:56.205 John: Okay. 00:47:56.445 --> 00:47:59.765 Gab: So we were sitting there, and we were just talking and, 00:47:59.775 --> 00:48:00.885 you know, like, recording EVPs. 00:48:01.515 --> 00:48:05.355 And all of a sudden, one of the doors, like a few hallways 00:48:05.365 --> 00:48:06.655 down, just slammed shut. 00:48:07.125 --> 00:48:07.915 And it was so 00:48:07.915 --> 00:48:13.929 loud, and we were like, "What was that?" so then we had to go looking for it. 00:48:15.569 --> 00:48:15.599 And 00:48:15.739 --> 00:48:17.399 Jody: Well, the guys at, the guys at the cameras had no… 00:48:17.789 --> 00:48:18.419 There was nothing. 00:48:18.529 --> 00:48:19.149 Gab: Yeah, 00:48:19.209 --> 00:48:20.029 Jody: They didn't have anybody slamming a door. 00:48:20.029 --> 00:48:21.159 It wasn't on camera, so. 00:48:21.729 --> 00:48:21.899 Gab: gone 00:48:21.899 --> 00:48:21.999 to 00:48:22.009 --> 00:48:22.409 ask. 00:48:22.409 --> 00:48:22.499 And 00:48:22.499 --> 00:48:24.669 we were like, "Hey, were, was anybody around here? 00:48:24.669 --> 00:48:26.819 Like, did you guys close a door?" And they're like, "No." 00:48:27.481 --> 00:48:27.995 Jody: It was interesting. 00:48:28.886 --> 00:48:30.645 John: That's pretty awesome when you get something like that. 00:48:30.655 --> 00:48:31.065 My God! 00:48:31.345 --> 00:48:31.825 Gab: Yeah 00:48:32.015 --> 00:48:32.535 Jody: of the night too. 00:48:32.535 --> 00:48:33.255 We couldn't believe it. 00:48:33.345 --> 00:48:33.855 Gab: Yeah. 00:48:34.115 --> 00:48:34.705 And then we… 00:48:34.825 --> 00:48:35.505 John: Started off real good, huh? 00:48:35.715 --> 00:48:36.605 Gab: Yeah, yeah. 00:48:37.235 --> 00:48:38.715 And then it was quiet for a little while. 00:48:38.971 --> 00:48:39.175 Jody: Yeah. 00:48:39.735 --> 00:48:41.895 Gab: And then we got to some of the patient rooms. 00:48:42.035 --> 00:48:43.695 And I think we were in Mary's room. 00:48:43.841 --> 00:48:44.587 John: Yeah, Mary. 00:48:44.817 --> 00:48:45.347 Yeah 00:48:46.275 --> 00:48:48.365 Gab: And we had a lot… Yeah. 00:48:48.455 --> 00:48:49.985 She is, very active and 00:48:49.985 --> 00:48:50.815 very friendly 00:48:50.855 --> 00:48:51.415 Jody: What was her story now? 00:48:51.415 --> 00:48:53.221 She was, was she blind was it? 00:48:53.221 --> 00:48:53.691 Gab: Yeah. 00:48:53.691 --> 00:48:55.498 She, I think she had, glass eyes. 00:48:55.678 --> 00:48:55.698 Yeah. 00:48:57.471 --> 00:48:57.751 And, um- 00:48:57.751 --> 00:48:59.441 Jody: That's really weird we were using cat balls then. 00:49:01.168 --> 00:49:01.688 Sorry. 00:49:01.838 --> 00:49:02.158 Gab: Yeah. 00:49:02.378 --> 00:49:05.728 We had a lot of activity with those cat balls. 00:49:06.018 --> 00:49:06.358 Jody: Yeah. 00:49:06.388 --> 00:49:07.018 I love- 00:49:07.298 --> 00:49:07.492 Gab: They were going off 00:49:07.492 --> 00:49:08.158 … Jody: I love the cat balls. 00:49:08.158 --> 00:49:11.078 I know they get a lot of hate now, like online, people talking about how 00:49:11.078 --> 00:49:13.658 the filament is made and fluctuations in temperature and all that. 00:49:13.658 --> 00:49:18.498 But go for weeks without cat balls working, and then suddenly they're, 00:49:18.528 --> 00:49:20.510 you know, they're poppin' off 00:49:20.626 --> 00:49:20.906 off. 00:49:20.906 --> 00:49:21.276 You know what I mean? 00:49:21.276 --> 00:49:22.186 When they work, they work. 00:49:22.236 --> 00:49:22.666 Gab: Yeah. 00:49:23.110 --> 00:49:27.240 John: mean, they bring a different, you know… Look, I mean, ear- like 00:49:27.240 --> 00:49:31.510 I said earlier, everything's, like, almost based off let's pick up on EMF. 00:49:31.510 --> 00:49:33.520 And, you know, these are just motion 00:49:33.520 --> 00:49:34.102 sensors in there. 00:49:34.102 --> 00:49:34.482 Gab: Yeah. 00:49:34.698 --> 00:49:35.006 Jody: Yeah. 00:49:35.193 --> 00:49:35.613 John: it's fun. 00:49:35.653 --> 00:49:36.373 It's interesting. 00:49:37.103 --> 00:49:38.733 Especially when get them to go off on command. 00:49:38.743 --> 00:49:39.523 That's amazing 00:49:39.843 --> 00:49:40.183 Gab: Yep. 00:49:40.183 --> 00:49:41.021 Exactly. 00:49:41.131 --> 00:49:42.421 It's kind of like validation. 00:49:43.580 --> 00:49:45.301 Which you don't really get much in this field. 00:49:46.399 --> 00:49:46.689 John: No. 00:49:47.889 --> 00:49:50.395 Keriann: we had cat ball activity at Hillview that time too. 00:49:50.455 --> 00:49:51.655 It was with Amy. 00:49:51.685 --> 00:49:51.825 John: Yeah. 00:49:51.885 --> 00:49:53.795 Keriann: And then she was like, "All right, I'm, I'm good. 00:49:53.825 --> 00:49:55.035 I got everything I wanted." 00:49:55.075 --> 00:49:55.365 Gab: Yeah. 00:49:55.365 --> 00:49:55.665 Yeah. 00:49:57.935 --> 00:49:59.985 John: So, what happened in Mary's room with you guys? 00:50:00.045 --> 00:50:01.785 We'll explain about what happened with us in a bit. 00:50:01.785 --> 00:50:03.827 What happened with, uh, Mary in there? 00:50:03.991 --> 00:50:07.121 Gab: So yeah, a lot of activity with cat balls going off. 00:50:07.141 --> 00:50:10.961 We were just kind of talking to her, like about what was the day like for you? 00:50:11.411 --> 00:50:11.461 Jody: bingo. 00:50:11.461 --> 00:50:12.461 Gab: Was it nice here? 00:50:12.461 --> 00:50:13.411 Yeah, you like to play bingo. 00:50:13.411 --> 00:50:14.901 Jody: She responded to bingo, I remember. 00:50:14.911 --> 00:50:18.511 Gab: Um, we said if we ever came back, we'd bring you… We, I talked about how 00:50:18.511 --> 00:50:22.967 now people bedazzle their bingo I was like, "If we ever come back, I'll bring 00:50:22.967 --> 00:50:27.797 you a bedazzled bingo marker." Like, just talking like I would to like any person, 00:50:27.797 --> 00:50:29.387 like, you know, in a personal care home. 00:50:30.017 --> 00:50:32.495 And, like the ball would keep going off. 00:50:32.565 --> 00:50:35.724 And, oh, we heard what sounded like an animal sound. 00:50:35.914 --> 00:50:38.894 Like we don't know if it was like a cat or something else. 00:50:39.474 --> 00:50:43.854 And then we heard some footsteps and then like this loud screaming 00:50:43.854 --> 00:50:45.387 sound But we didn't hear 00:50:45.424 --> 00:50:47.610 Jody: Yes we did, because you said, "Was that your stomach?" 00:50:47.680 --> 00:50:47.840 Gab: Yeah. 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:48.530 Jody: And I was like- 00:50:48.530 --> 00:50:49.260 "I don't think so." 00:50:49.260 --> 00:50:49.620 Gab: We heard the the scream 00:50:49.650 --> 00:50:51.588 but we didn't hear the footsteps until we listened back. 00:50:51.680 --> 00:50:52.548 Jody: That's what it was yeah. 00:50:52.667 --> 00:50:53.050 Gab: Yeah. 00:50:53.465 --> 00:50:53.995 John: That's awesome. 00:50:54.385 --> 00:50:55.405 There it is, audio 00:50:56.188 --> 00:51:00.328 Gab: And then I had the most unique experience I've ever had on 00:51:00.418 --> 00:51:00.588 an investigation there. 00:51:00.588 --> 00:51:02.084 Jody: I knew you were gonna bring this up. 00:51:02.184 --> 00:51:02.284 Gab: Yeah. 00:51:03.054 --> 00:51:04.394 Jody: This is where she tells you she's a psychic. 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:04.969 Gab: No. 00:51:05.839 --> 00:51:11.127 So I don't know about you guys, but I've never been to a place that had 00:51:11.309 --> 00:51:13.283 the feeling that Hillview manor has. 00:51:13.733 --> 00:51:16.733 It just feels very like comfortable and calming. 00:51:16.783 --> 00:51:21.943 And it almost feels like it's still in use, and you're just like, like they're 00:51:21.943 --> 00:51:23.793 all hidden and you can't see them. 00:51:24.083 --> 00:51:27.963 But it's still functioning, and everyone is still there, but you're just 00:51:27.963 --> 00:51:29.943 like in a different place than them. 00:51:30.410 --> 00:51:31.140 John: I agree with that 00:51:31.180 --> 00:51:31.620 Gab: Right. 00:51:31.620 --> 00:51:31.820 Yeah. 00:51:32.030 --> 00:51:32.869 I love it there. 00:51:33.279 --> 00:51:35.015 So we were up on the top floor. 00:51:35.395 --> 00:51:37.505 and we were like around the nurse's station. 00:51:37.545 --> 00:51:39.225 And we were just kinda walking around. 00:51:39.665 --> 00:51:44.155 And for just a few seconds, I get this like flash in my mind 00:51:44.545 --> 00:51:50.189 of a working, functioning personal care home, nursing home. 00:51:50.479 --> 00:51:53.829 And there's people in like a community room, and there's 00:51:53.859 --> 00:51:57.335 people bringing meals and sitting with people, and playing games. 00:51:57.645 --> 00:52:01.365 And I'm like, "Oh my God, what is this?" And then just as 00:52:01.365 --> 00:52:03.225 soon as I saw it, it was gone. 00:52:03.605 --> 00:52:07.125 And it's never happened to me again, and it never happened to me before 00:52:08.051 --> 00:52:08.771 John: That's amazing. 00:52:09.436 --> 00:52:09.741 Gab: Yeah. 00:52:09.771 --> 00:52:12.321 It's like probably my favorite experience ever. 00:52:12.561 --> 00:52:12.861 And I've 00:52:12.861 --> 00:52:13.141 tried 00:52:13.333 --> 00:52:14.283 John: Yeah that's quite the experience 00:52:14.351 --> 00:52:16.761 Gab: so hard to recreate it, and I just cannot. 00:52:17.910 --> 00:52:19.867 John: Yeah, a lot of these are just one-off. 00:52:19.877 --> 00:52:20.527 Like that's it. 00:52:20.537 --> 00:52:21.977 Like you get to experience that once. 00:52:22.007 --> 00:52:22.697 That was it. 00:52:22.831 --> 00:52:23.071 Jody: Yeah. 00:52:23.101 --> 00:52:23.461 Gab: Yeah. 00:52:23.539 --> 00:52:26.079 Like I will go places and I'll be like, "Hey, if you can give me an 00:52:26.089 --> 00:52:29.799 image, that would be great. Like if you could show me what you want me 00:52:29.799 --> 00:52:33.895 to know, that would be fantastic." But I've never had it happen again 00:52:34.442 --> 00:52:36.772 John: Yeah that's, uh, that's, that's pretty awesome though. 00:52:36.892 --> 00:52:41.042 Yeah Hillview, man that place it's like Keriann says all the time, she's like, 00:52:41.042 --> 00:52:43.102 "It's, it's like an onion, many layers. 00:52:43.102 --> 00:52:45.252 You just keep going and going and going, and you find all kind 00:52:45.332 --> 00:52:46.492 of unique stuff going on there. 00:52:46.826 --> 00:52:47.336 Gab: Yeah. 00:52:47.369 --> 00:52:48.199 John: Yeah, for sure. 00:52:48.730 --> 00:52:50.530 Yeah, that was our… how 00:52:50.530 --> 00:52:51.690 many times were we there, Keriann? 00:52:51.740 --> 00:52:52.550 Is that number three? 00:52:53.390 --> 00:52:55.500 Keriann: Three or… Yeah number three 00:52:55.500 --> 00:52:57.700 John: Yeah, that was our third time there when you guys came with us 00:52:58.461 --> 00:53:00.112 Jody: So that was like a bucket list item for us. 00:53:00.162 --> 00:53:03.482 I hate using that term, but, uh, we've been looking to get there for a long time. 00:53:03.482 --> 00:53:05.382 So when you guys, offered, that was amazing. 00:53:05.382 --> 00:53:06.322 We really appreciate that. 00:53:06.322 --> 00:53:06.332 Yeah. 00:53:06.448 --> 00:53:06.838 Gab: Yeah. 00:53:07.094 --> 00:53:08.184 John: Oh yeah, of course, guys. 00:53:08.204 --> 00:53:10.094 I know how passionate you guys are about it. 00:53:10.094 --> 00:53:13.868 And, you know, just wanted to have a friends, you know, investigation 00:53:14.688 --> 00:53:16.338 Gab: So what was your experience at Hillview? 00:53:16.990 --> 00:53:20.000 John: So that, uh, well, I, we have two, right, Keriann? 00:53:20.310 --> 00:53:23.090 The very first time we went there, I have to talk about that first. 00:53:23.090 --> 00:53:23.100 Keriann: Okay. 00:53:24.100 --> 00:53:28.940 John: Uh, first time we went there we were in what was known as the cafeteria. 00:53:29.530 --> 00:53:31.930 And that's where we did an Estes session. 00:53:32.200 --> 00:53:34.990 Our friend Kerry, it was just the three of us, me, Keriann, and Kerry. 00:53:35.610 --> 00:53:38.640 And there was a chair in the middle of the floor in this room. 00:53:38.750 --> 00:53:41.000 And Kerry said, "Man, this is gonna be a perfect place. 00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:42.600 Let's do an Estes method here. 00:53:42.860 --> 00:53:47.237 I said, "Okay." So Kerry was our conduit, so to speak. 00:53:47.484 --> 00:53:48.664 She was the one that was set up. 00:53:48.664 --> 00:53:50.422 She was the one that was gonna relay the messages. 00:53:51.274 --> 00:53:52.684 So we're staring right at her. 00:53:52.914 --> 00:53:56.214 Now, you have to understand, like, we set up equipment looking at her, 00:53:56.584 --> 00:54:00.114 uh, to our left and to our right. 00:54:00.534 --> 00:54:04.384 On the left-hand side there was a Flux2 device, which is 00:54:04.384 --> 00:54:06.464 just a, a yes/no answer box. 00:54:06.464 --> 00:54:09.154 You know, you touch the right side it lights up green, left side red. 00:54:09.234 --> 00:54:10.194 Yes or no, right? 00:54:10.577 --> 00:54:14.594 The right-hand side there was a REM pod that we had there, and that was it. 00:54:15.444 --> 00:54:19.412 So we start asking questions, introducing ourselves, asking questions. 00:54:20.142 --> 00:54:23.762 And then once Keriann said, "Is there anybody here that would like to 00:54:23.762 --> 00:54:28.892 communicate with us, we'd appreciate it," Kerry, after about maybe 10, 15 seconds, 00:54:28.902 --> 00:54:34.742 she goes, "I'm here now." And I said, "Where are you?" And Kerry says, "To 00:54:34.742 --> 00:54:39.950 your left." And once she said that, the Flux2 device flickered on both sides, 00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:42.110 so I hurried up and snapped a picture. 00:54:43.020 --> 00:54:44.000 We continued on. 00:54:44.510 --> 00:54:48.590 Kerry goes, "I'm in the other room now." So I walk around Kerry, I'm behind her 00:54:48.590 --> 00:54:53.190 now, and she goes, "I'm over here." She said, "I'm by the back door." I'm 00:54:53.190 --> 00:54:54.220 looking around, I'm like, "Oh, God. 00:54:54.230 --> 00:54:57.700 There really is a back door." So I start walking back there, but then 00:54:57.700 --> 00:55:00.140 Kerry hurried up and pulled her headphones off and her eye mask. 00:55:00.150 --> 00:55:03.490 She's like, "I can't deal with it. I didn't feel well. It wasn't…" Whatever. 00:55:04.170 --> 00:55:05.790 So we go back and we look at the photos. 00:55:05.790 --> 00:55:10.330 This is the first time with over 400 investigations that we ever caught 00:55:10.350 --> 00:55:12.538 a full-bodied apparition in a photo. 00:55:13.538 --> 00:55:17.588 So Hillview is our very first place that we ever caught a full-body apparition. 00:55:17.588 --> 00:55:19.664 And we actually shared it on Facebook. 00:55:19.664 --> 00:55:23.521 We did a live, Facebook event, and we shared that with the public. 00:55:23.521 --> 00:55:28.544 And it's, um, it's one of those pictures where we say that there's a full-body 00:55:28.544 --> 00:55:31.354 apparition, we caught a spirit, and you look at it, you're like, "Oh, 00:55:31.354 --> 00:55:34.724 my God, you really did," versus, like, when you see a lot of them. 00:55:34.724 --> 00:55:37.834 They're like, "If you look here really hard, you see this little…" 00:55:37.834 --> 00:55:38.074 You know? 00:55:38.294 --> 00:55:38.594 Jody: Yeah. 00:55:38.654 --> 00:55:40.354 John: You know, it's, it's not one of those. 00:55:40.364 --> 00:55:44.964 It's like, oh, God, like, there is absolutely something right there. 00:55:45.434 --> 00:55:47.574 So we were, like, super excited that we have that. 00:55:47.574 --> 00:55:49.224 And that picture there will be locked up. 00:55:49.224 --> 00:55:51.054 I will never lose that one, for sure. 00:55:51.508 --> 00:55:53.218 And it's, it's a pretty amazing photo. 00:55:53.218 --> 00:55:56.978 But I, the night that we were with you guys, Keriann, we were in that same room. 00:55:57.348 --> 00:55:57.708 Keriann: Yeah. 00:55:57.828 --> 00:56:01.778 John: Which is really, really cool that what happened to us next, I 00:56:01.778 --> 00:56:03.138 decided to do the Estes method. 00:56:03.168 --> 00:56:04.398 I don't do it too often. 00:56:04.858 --> 00:56:05.928 But that was me that night. 00:56:06.198 --> 00:56:11.184 So it was Keriann, Jeff, and Amy, that were in that room asking questions. 00:56:11.194 --> 00:56:14.784 And I'm sitting there Blindfold, I got the headphones on. 00:56:15.244 --> 00:56:18.164 And there was like a series of, you know, I said my, I 00:56:18.174 --> 00:56:19.374 said a name that came through. 00:56:19.374 --> 00:56:22.584 And I don't remember exactly what the name was at this time, but I remember 00:56:22.584 --> 00:56:24.714 saying names and things like that. 00:56:24.714 --> 00:56:29.394 And I guess they had asked at one point, "Where are you?" I'd have to ask Amy and 00:56:29.394 --> 00:56:30.754 Jeff, but they're not here unfortunately. 00:56:30.754 --> 00:56:33.464 I think Keriann was kind of like checking things out around 00:56:33.464 --> 00:56:34.574 the hallways and whatever. 00:56:34.574 --> 00:56:37.824 But I said, " "I'm coming." 00:56:38.304 --> 00:56:38.904 Keriann: Or he's coming. 00:56:38.964 --> 00:56:39.914 John: Or he's coming I 00:56:39.914 --> 00:56:40.194 Keriann: said. 00:56:40.194 --> 00:56:43.094 Yeah, you said he's coming, and then there were footsteps down the hall. 00:56:43.154 --> 00:56:44.914 John: Which I hear, obviously. 00:56:44.914 --> 00:56:46.744 Keriann: We, we heard footsteps down the hall. 00:56:46.744 --> 00:56:47.124 John: Mm-hmm. 00:56:47.304 --> 00:56:51.614 Keriann: And then somewhere else there was a door that slammed. 00:56:51.864 --> 00:56:54.474 And Amy almost ended up in Jeff's lap. 00:56:55.464 --> 00:56:59.204 John: So but what was really cool though, is when I said, "I, I'm, 00:56:59.214 --> 00:57:02.564 he's coming," and they heard the footsteps and I said, "I'm here"- 00:57:02.574 --> 00:57:03.634 Keriann: That's when the door slammed 00:57:03.644 --> 00:57:06.692 John: that's when the s- the footsteps stopped and the door slammed. 00:57:07.038 --> 00:57:07.073 Jody: Love that. 00:57:07.073 --> 00:57:07.528 Oh, I love that. 00:57:08.148 --> 00:57:09.018 Gab: Wow I love that too. 00:57:09.254 --> 00:57:10.134 John: That was- 00:57:10.294 --> 00:57:10.664 Keriann: Yeah 00:57:10.664 --> 00:57:11.924 … John: well, I don't want to say the door slammed. 00:57:11.924 --> 00:57:15.554 There was a door, if I was sitting here looking out to the hallway, there's a door 00:57:15.554 --> 00:57:17.664 to the left which accesses the stairwell. 00:57:18.164 --> 00:57:22.404 It sounded like that door was tried to be forced open, and it hit that point. 00:57:22.434 --> 00:57:23.714 Like, 'cause it, you couldn't open it. 00:57:23.714 --> 00:57:24.584 It was actually locked. 00:57:24.594 --> 00:57:25.384 That one was locked. 00:57:25.764 --> 00:57:28.814 Um, so if you go to push the door, it has that play. 00:57:28.814 --> 00:57:31.284 And then you hit that, you know, the dead bolt that's in there 00:57:31.284 --> 00:57:32.484 and it can't go any further. 00:57:32.884 --> 00:57:33.854 Like, that's what they heard. 00:57:33.854 --> 00:57:37.044 When I said I'm here, footsteps stopped, then boom, that door was banging. 00:57:37.044 --> 00:57:39.754 I was like, "Wow." I was like, "That's pretty amazing." I wish I 00:57:39.754 --> 00:57:41.494 was able to see it on their side. 00:57:42.019 --> 00:57:42.468 Jody: Wow. 00:57:42.468 --> 00:57:43.558 So doors are a thing there. 00:57:43.772 --> 00:57:44.108 Gab: Yeah. 00:57:44.446 --> 00:57:44.956 John: Doors, yeah. 00:57:44.966 --> 00:57:45.476 Doors- 00:57:45.476 --> 00:57:46.296 Keriann: are a thing there 00:57:46.666 --> 00:57:47.666 … John: are definitely a thing. 00:57:48.509 --> 00:57:48.846 Keriann: Um, 00:57:49.076 --> 00:57:49.196 Gab: That's awesome. 00:57:49.396 --> 00:57:49.426 Keriann: yes. 00:57:50.156 --> 00:57:53.806 And then I think then that's when you, you stopped after that too because, 00:57:54.396 --> 00:57:56.016 yeah, I don't think we got much more. 00:57:56.016 --> 00:57:59.386 But y- wile I was walking around, 'cause you were at first giving 00:57:59.386 --> 00:58:04.266 directions, so I was walking around, and then you said, "He's coming," 00:58:04.266 --> 00:58:07.136 and then we started to hear the footsteps so I went back into the room. 00:58:07.146 --> 00:58:07.506 John: Yeah. 00:58:07.786 --> 00:58:09.816 Yeah, so they're all back in the room just like chilling, 00:58:09.816 --> 00:58:11.106 their backs up against the wall. 00:58:11.336 --> 00:58:16.096 Like, "He's coming." And like I'll never forget, like Amy explaining. 00:58:16.096 --> 00:58:19.276 She goes, "I don't understand." "We're all in this room, and then 00:58:19.476 --> 00:58:21.976 we had our backs against the wall, and then we hear these footsteps. 00:58:21.976 --> 00:58:22.776 I'm like what? 00:58:22.836 --> 00:58:24.226 It's like how is this even happening? 00:58:24.226 --> 00:58:26.326 What I loved is Amy is a skeptic. 00:58:26.596 --> 00:58:29.706 It was the very first time she's ever investigated anywhere, and 00:58:29.706 --> 00:58:30.096 that's what she got to experience. 00:58:30.241 --> 00:58:30.678 Jody: Yep. 00:58:31.158 --> 00:58:31.738 Love it. 00:58:31.848 --> 00:58:32.298 Love it. 00:58:32.328 --> 00:58:33.418 I love when that happens. 00:58:33.458 --> 00:58:37.538 that is actually Gabrielle's favorite, uh, phrase that comes through in 00:58:37.538 --> 00:58:42.138 our Estes sessions when I'm, when I'm under and she's all alone out 00:58:42.138 --> 00:58:47.038 there in the world and I say, "It's coming," or, "He's coming," or, "She's 00:58:47.038 --> 00:58:48.418 coming." That is her favorite thing… 00:58:48.548 --> 00:58:48.818 Gab: yeah 00:58:48.968 --> 00:58:49.678 … Jody: in the world. 00:58:49.728 --> 00:58:50.698 Gab: Or it says, Run." 00:58:51.121 --> 00:58:51.468 Jody: Yeah. 00:58:52.468 --> 00:58:53.478 Keriann: How about no? 00:58:53.730 --> 00:58:53.960 Gab: Yeah. 00:58:54.690 --> 00:58:56.550 John: But yeah, it's, uh, it's definitely cool. 00:58:56.550 --> 00:58:59.650 And then we got, Amy got to experience, uh, one other time too, 00:58:59.650 --> 00:59:00.860 where I forget what floor it was. 00:59:00.860 --> 00:59:01.960 Maybe the second floor. 00:59:02.190 --> 00:59:03.540 It was at the nurse's station. 00:59:03.540 --> 00:59:05.050 It- There was a room right across from it 00:59:05.060 --> 00:59:06.280 Keriann: It was that long hallway. 00:59:06.330 --> 00:59:07.420 John: That one that you're talking about. 00:59:07.420 --> 00:59:07.620 Yeah, 00:59:07.620 --> 00:59:08.500 Keriann: the long hallway. 00:59:08.602 --> 00:59:09.093 Jody: Oh, okay 00:59:09.093 --> 00:59:11.311 John: we're in the room right across from the nurse's station, 00:59:11.311 --> 00:59:12.741 and we had a cat toy on the bed. 00:59:13.011 --> 00:59:14.111 Keriann: I think we were in Bill's room. 00:59:14.121 --> 00:59:14.961 John: Bill, yeah. 00:59:14.961 --> 00:59:17.161 He was the one that had the rocking chair in there. 00:59:17.161 --> 00:59:18.971 He really didn't appreciate people. 00:59:18.971 --> 00:59:21.961 He didn't want anybody sitting in his rocking chair, so we wouldn't of course. 00:59:22.321 --> 00:59:27.101 But we put a couple cat toys on the, uh, on the mattress there, and there 00:59:27.101 --> 00:59:28.811 was this box that was loaned to us. 00:59:28.811 --> 00:59:30.591 I think it was called an Epoch box. 00:59:30.591 --> 00:59:31.801 I can't remember the name of it now. 00:59:32.191 --> 00:59:36.351 It was a yes/no box, but it's… We put that on the windowsill, and we're 00:59:36.351 --> 00:59:37.761 standing there just asking questions. 00:59:37.761 --> 00:59:38.421 And Amy goes- 00:59:38.651 --> 00:59:40.781 Keriann: The best was that y- you guys were like, "I 00:59:40.781 --> 00:59:41.991 don't know how this box works. 00:59:42.471 --> 00:59:45.481 can't figure out how this box works." Put it on the windowsill, and Amy's 00:59:45.481 --> 00:59:49.081 like, "Ah, could you make the cat ball off, and then maybe that box go off 00:59:49.081 --> 00:59:50.601 if you don't want us in here?" And 00:59:51.341 --> 00:59:52.181 John: sh- and it 00:59:52.331 --> 00:59:52.801 Keriann: And the box goes, "Yes" … the ball goes yes, 00:59:52.801 --> 00:59:53.931 and then the cat ball goes yes. 00:59:53.931 --> 00:59:55.352 And she's like, "Okay, I'm good." 00:59:58.015 --> 00:59:58.300 John: Yeah. 00:59:58.300 --> 01:00:00.301 It was like, this box here, you know? 01:00:00.301 --> 01:00:00.451 The- 01:00:00.501 --> 01:00:03.741 Keriann: It didn't work at all the entire night until she goes, "could 01:00:03.801 --> 01:00:06.701 just make tha t…" And then John and Jeff are like, "How does this work? 01:00:06.751 --> 01:00:07.771 I can't get it to work. 01:00:07.971 --> 01:00:09.361 How about you make it work again?" And 01:00:10.019 --> 01:00:12.199 Jody: See, I think that's amazing. 01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:15.315 Like we, we- we get pretty deep in some of our conversations sometimes. 01:00:15.315 --> 01:00:16.945 And we always talk about the ego death. 01:00:17.412 --> 01:00:20.562 I think that's a perfect example when a skeptic goes into one 01:00:20.562 --> 01:00:23.252 of these investigations and something like that happens. 01:00:23.312 --> 01:00:23.472 John: Ah. 01:00:23.622 --> 01:00:24.012 The best 01:00:24.062 --> 01:00:25.929 Jody: Right away, their ego's gone. 01:00:25.979 --> 01:00:26.419 That's it. 01:00:26.439 --> 01:00:27.099 They're believers. 01:00:27.099 --> 01:00:27.495 That's it. 01:00:27.976 --> 01:00:28.749 That's how it works! 01:00:29.006 --> 01:00:29.236 John: Yep. 01:00:29.459 --> 01:00:29.649 Yep. 01:00:29.699 --> 01:00:30.839 And then they get bit, and they 01:00:30.839 --> 01:00:31.959 wanna do it again and again. 01:00:32.535 --> 01:00:32.885 Jody: Yep 01:00:33.203 --> 01:00:33.351 John: Yeah. 01:00:33.351 --> 01:00:34.131 That's just how it goes. 01:00:34.131 --> 01:00:35.531 I'll, I'll never forget that though, man. 01:00:35.531 --> 01:00:37.421 That was, that was just crazy, you know? 01:00:37.911 --> 01:00:39.591 It was like I said, you know how the… I don't know if you're 01:00:39.591 --> 01:00:41.531 familiar with that Flux2, device. 01:00:41.801 --> 01:00:45.831 You could see, like it has sensors on there, light sensors, 01:00:45.831 --> 01:00:47.101 and it picks up on motion. 01:00:47.521 --> 01:00:51.881 Like this box that we were using, like it's ensealed, it's encapsulated. 01:00:51.881 --> 01:00:54.571 So I mean, obviously it has sensors built into it somewhere. 01:00:55.001 --> 01:00:59.481 But like there was nothing to like capture light or anything like that, 01:00:59.491 --> 01:01:01.791 or lasers, like when you break that. 01:01:02.121 --> 01:01:08.655 Which I find I like that better, it's not influenced by any kinda light or shadows. 01:01:08.677 --> 01:01:09.345 Jody: Exactly. 01:01:09.355 --> 01:01:09.375 Gab: Yeah. 01:01:09.425 --> 01:01:09.985 Jody: I agree. 01:01:09.985 --> 01:01:13.795 It's, it, you have to think about it as, less of a physical interaction 01:01:14.675 --> 01:01:16.215 and more of an energy interaction. 01:01:16.434 --> 01:01:16.765 Gab: Yeah. 01:01:16.877 --> 01:01:17.777 John: Yeah, 100%. 01:01:17.787 --> 01:01:18.837 But that was just so great. 01:01:18.847 --> 01:01:20.127 All I want is the ball to go off. 01:01:20.147 --> 01:01:20.787 Can you do that? 01:01:20.807 --> 01:01:21.667 It lit up yes. 01:01:21.717 --> 01:01:22.447 And then the ball went off. 01:01:22.457 --> 01:01:24.397 I She's like, "All right, I'm good. I'm happy." 01:01:26.587 --> 01:01:26.837 Yeah. 01:01:26.877 --> 01:01:27.703 It was a lot of fun 01:01:28.057 --> 01:01:28.172 Gab: Yeah. 01:01:28.172 --> 01:01:28.742 What do they say? 01:01:28.752 --> 01:01:30.882 Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to. 01:01:30.966 --> 01:01:31.096 Keriann: Yep. 01:01:32.096 --> 01:01:34.426 John: That's what we tell everybody in our investigations. 01:01:34.426 --> 01:01:37.186 People are always like, you know, they ask the question of like, "Do 01:01:37.186 --> 01:01:39.776 you want us to leave?" And if you get yes, well, what do you gotta do? 01:01:40.066 --> 01:01:40.676 Jody: You gotta leave. 01:01:40.696 --> 01:01:41.026 Yeah. 01:01:41.216 --> 01:01:42.046 I mean, you have to respect it. 01:01:42.046 --> 01:01:44.114 John: Don't ask questions you don't really want the answer to. 01:01:44.722 --> 01:01:45.192 Gab: Yeah 01:01:46.192 --> 01:01:47.032 John: And it's fun though, man. 01:01:47.032 --> 01:01:51.108 But we, we love investigating, and I'm sure we'll be investigating as 01:01:51.108 --> 01:01:52.361 long as we possibly can together. 01:01:52.361 --> 01:01:52.738 together 01:01:53.658 --> 01:01:54.179 You know? 01:01:54.449 --> 01:01:57.199 And then maybe on the other side when it's our turn, maybe we 01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:58.779 get to mess with people too, so. 01:01:58.971 --> 01:02:01.051 Gab: You're just preparing to like switch roles. 01:02:02.419 --> 01:02:03.179 John: Yeah, really. 01:02:03.831 --> 01:02:03.871 Gab: Yeah. 01:02:04.789 --> 01:02:05.739 John: But it's out there, man. 01:02:05.901 --> 01:02:06.911 Gab: Like I know what this side is like. 01:02:08.246 --> 01:02:09.406 John: Yep, exactly. 01:02:09.456 --> 01:02:09.916 But I don't know. 01:02:09.966 --> 01:02:10.696 It's out there. 01:02:10.786 --> 01:02:11.196 It's there. 01:02:11.196 --> 01:02:14.946 We've had enough experiences, myself in 27 years, and Keriann 01:02:14.946 --> 01:02:16.376 and I together in 22 years. 01:02:16.810 --> 01:02:19.600 We've had so many experiences where there's no denying 01:02:19.610 --> 01:02:20.530 that there's an afterlife 01:02:21.158 --> 01:02:21.844 Gab: Oh, for sure. 01:02:22.274 --> 01:02:22.854 Jody: Well, there's something. 01:02:24.107 --> 01:02:26.790 Gab: that brings me to my next question actually. 01:02:27.200 --> 01:02:31.490 So what do you think that we're actually communicating with? 01:02:31.520 --> 01:02:33.470 Do you think it's human consciousness? 01:02:33.470 --> 01:02:36.920 Do you think it's like trace memories in the environment? 01:02:36.930 --> 01:02:39.404 Do you think it's something different altogether? 01:02:39.884 --> 01:02:41.134 John: I'm gonna say it's conscious. 01:02:41.154 --> 01:02:47.124 I'm gonna say it's an intelligent spirit that's able to see and hear what's around 01:02:47.134 --> 01:02:48.764 us, and they get to interact with that. 01:02:49.144 --> 01:02:51.894 Just because of all the intelligent responses. 01:02:51.894 --> 01:02:54.394 Like I, I can't chalk it up… I mean, of course sometimes you hear 01:02:54.394 --> 01:02:55.774 like a, a rattle of something. 01:02:55.774 --> 01:02:57.084 It's like, okay, that might be residual. 01:02:57.084 --> 01:02:59.134 Especially, you know, if you put a timer to it. 01:02:59.154 --> 01:03:04.384 But I'm g- I'm gonna say it's, it's just who we are, but those that have 01:03:04.384 --> 01:03:05.954 passed on the other side looking in. 01:03:06.210 --> 01:03:07.600 It's exactly what it is, I think 01:03:08.085 --> 01:03:08.495 You, Karian? 01:03:09.155 --> 01:03:09.715 Keriann: I agree. 01:03:09.805 --> 01:03:10.125 John: Yeah. 01:03:10.955 --> 01:03:15.587 So I real- I really, I really do feel that, just because the experiences we had. 01:03:16.197 --> 01:03:19.577 I'm gonna say they're living on the other side, and they get 01:03:19.577 --> 01:03:22.251 the opportunity occasionally to come over and interact with 01:03:23.251 --> 01:03:24.093 Gab: like that theory. 01:03:24.265 --> 01:03:25.445 Jody: What the hell are we talking to then? 01:03:25.512 --> 01:03:25.742 Gab: Yeah 01:03:27.432 --> 01:03:28.762 Jody: We get some pretty bonkers shit. 01:03:28.812 --> 01:03:29.309 Gab: Yeah, we do. 01:03:30.782 --> 01:03:31.782 We kinda asked for it 01:03:31.782 --> 01:03:31.952 though, so. 01:03:31.958 --> 01:03:32.352 Jody: We did. 01:03:32.442 --> 01:03:33.202 We asked for it. 01:03:33.472 --> 01:03:33.702 Yeah 01:03:34.135 --> 01:03:37.225 Gab: How do you think that your personal frameworks for understanding 01:03:37.225 --> 01:03:41.155 the paranormal evolved over all these years of experience in the field? 01:03:41.155 --> 01:03:42.429 And have your initial 01:03:42.429 --> 01:03:45.689 assumptions about ghosts and hauntings given way to, like, 01:03:45.689 --> 01:03:47.839 broader and more complex theories. 01:03:48.854 --> 01:03:50.844 John: Um, no. 01:03:51.230 --> 01:03:52.970 I think it's just pretty much been the same. 01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.660 I mean, of course we've learned things over the years and, 01:03:56.160 --> 01:03:57.810 you know, what we can expect. 01:03:57.810 --> 01:03:59.620 I mean, we're not professionals by any means. 01:03:59.650 --> 01:04:02.270 We just have, um, you know, I, I tell everybody. 01:04:02.410 --> 01:04:04.490 They ask us, like, "Oh, you're the pros." Like, no we're not. 01:04:05.090 --> 01:04:08.030 we just have different, you know, experience. 01:04:08.030 --> 01:04:10.520 We have more experience in this, and we kind of would understand, 01:04:10.980 --> 01:04:12.840 you know, what may happen next. 01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:19.380 But overall, as investigators, I don't think our mindset really changed other 01:04:19.380 --> 01:04:25.010 than we've just learned how to debunk better and understand how things happen. 01:04:25.350 --> 01:04:27.940 But I really, honest, like I don't, I don't, I wouldn't say that 01:04:28.300 --> 01:04:32.640 our beliefs or it's become more complex or we have new theories. 01:04:33.150 --> 01:04:36.734 It's always stayed the same, 'cause it's been true all these years for us 01:04:36.970 --> 01:04:37.980 Gab: Yeah, I like that. 01:04:37.980 --> 01:04:42.340 John: Just because I, I don't even know, like honestly like I don't, nobody 01:04:42.340 --> 01:04:43.770 really knows how this works, right? 01:04:43.965 --> 01:04:44.430 Gab: Yeah. 01:04:44.580 --> 01:04:47.196 John: So we just do what we know worked for us. 01:04:47.570 --> 01:04:50.850 And there's a lot of things that we're like, "I really have no idea how this 01:04:50.850 --> 01:04:55.940 works." But we, we've, I've never come up with any, it's never made my mind 01:04:55.940 --> 01:05:00.230 spin like, "Oh, well if this happened why, could this have caused it?" 01:05:00.230 --> 01:05:03.570 And th- I'm like no, it's just naturally, it's just meant for us, th- 01:05:03.630 --> 01:05:05.237 for it to see and for it to happen. 01:05:05.534 --> 01:05:06.504 That's just my opinion. 01:05:06.704 --> 01:05:09.124 I just think we have to be lucky and we're at the right place at the right 01:05:09.548 --> 01:05:10.438 Jody: Yeah, absolutely 01:05:10.554 --> 01:05:14.631 John: I have no theories really on any of it other than they 01:05:14.631 --> 01:05:17.111 just get that opportunity to speak to us, and here we are 01:05:17.700 --> 01:05:20.430 Gab: It's like right time, right place, right 01:05:20.470 --> 01:05:20.660 Keriann: Mm-hmm 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:24.200 Gab: vibe, right, yeah, energy, right mindset. 01:05:24.220 --> 01:05:24.536 Like- 01:05:25.236 --> 01:05:25.650 Yeah 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:26.870 Jody: And maybe reading a lot of Carl Jung and… 01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:27.520 Gab: Yeah. 01:05:27.650 --> 01:05:28.640 Jody: Or Jung, sorry. 01:05:29.377 --> 01:05:30.347 Gab: What do you think, Keriann? 01:05:30.357 --> 01:05:34.674 Has your thoughts on what the other is, has it evolved over time? 01:05:35.929 --> 01:05:37.274 Keriann: No, I don't think so. 01:05:37.474 --> 01:05:37.864 No. 01:05:38.374 --> 01:05:38.524 Well. 01:05:38.524 --> 01:05:42.194 I think the, the only thing that's kind of evolved through all of this 01:05:42.204 --> 01:05:46.424 is just how to better support the people that come into our events. 01:05:46.434 --> 01:05:46.834 John: Mm-hmm. 01:05:47.260 --> 01:05:51.469 Keriann: and how to, give them the best experience that they possibly can. 01:05:51.919 --> 01:05:53.699 John: I think being able to explain things. 01:05:53.699 --> 01:05:54.159 Keriann: Yeah. 01:05:55.035 --> 01:05:58.682 that's the only thing that we can do is because we can't, we can't 01:05:58.692 --> 01:06:02.722 provide them any more than we can because we can't make things happen. 01:06:02.792 --> 01:06:02.892 John: Yep. 01:06:02.892 --> 01:06:03.032 Yep. 01:06:03.351 --> 01:06:06.512 Keriann: So that was the joke is that, you know, if we could 01:06:06.512 --> 01:06:07.972 make it happen, we'd be a lot- 01:06:08.292 --> 01:06:09.072 John: It'd be billions 01:06:09.072 --> 01:06:11.882 … Keriann: I was gonna say we'd be in a lot better place than we are now. 01:06:12.882 --> 01:06:16.812 But, uh, no, I think that's the only thing that, you know, has changed throughout 01:06:16.812 --> 01:06:20.562 all of this is that, you know, how to Work with them a little bit better. 01:06:20.652 --> 01:06:20.932 John: Yeah. 01:06:20.932 --> 01:06:21.832 And that's just about it. 01:06:22.252 --> 01:06:23.902 I, I don't know if that answered your question. 01:06:23.902 --> 01:06:26.412 I don't know if we went in circles to get to what you needed. 01:06:26.502 --> 01:06:30.342 But, I just really didn't know how to answer it, to be honest with you, just 01:06:30.342 --> 01:06:34.242 because I don't think anything has ever changed in my belief in how things work, 01:06:34.242 --> 01:06:35.662 because I just don't know how they work. 01:06:35.730 --> 01:06:36.630 Jody: Well no, it makes sense. 01:06:36.630 --> 01:06:38.140 I mean, that's, that's your belief system. 01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:38.594 Do you know what I 01:06:38.594 --> 01:06:38.774 mean? 01:06:38.784 --> 01:06:40.064 Everybody has a different belief system. 01:06:40.768 --> 01:06:43.948 So i- i- it's, and you're gonna get what you put into it. 01:06:44.182 --> 01:06:44.532 Gab: Yeah. 01:06:44.927 --> 01:06:46.080 John: Oh yeah, 100%. 01:06:46.463 --> 01:06:47.352 Jody: I'm certain of that. 01:06:48.071 --> 01:06:48.261 John: Yeah, 01:06:48.261 --> 01:06:48.951 there's no doubt. 01:06:48.951 --> 01:06:52.181 I mean, if you're, you're there with an open mind and you're willing, and 01:06:52.181 --> 01:06:57.521 you just sit and think and listen, ask questions, ask them to come to you, 01:06:58.871 --> 01:07:00.731 a lot of times you just get that experience 01:07:00.879 --> 01:07:01.198 Gab: Yeah. 01:07:01.213 --> 01:07:03.400 Just be patient and kind and yeah. 01:07:04.133 --> 01:07:06.383 John: Oh God, there's times Keriann and I would just sit in a room 01:07:06.383 --> 01:07:08.953 for four or five and just observe. 01:07:09.603 --> 01:07:10.363 Because it's important. 01:07:10.393 --> 01:07:13.693 Like when we say we're audio heavy, like the way I like to investigate is a 01:07:13.693 --> 01:07:15.743 flashlight and a good quality recorder. 01:07:15.908 --> 01:07:16.308 That's all I need. 01:07:16.488 --> 01:07:16.948 Jody: I agree. 01:07:17.108 --> 01:07:17.348 Yep. 01:07:17.570 --> 01:07:17.980 Gab: Yeah. 01:07:18.221 --> 01:07:21.261 John: But I honestly think what it comes down to is right place, right time. 01:07:21.271 --> 01:07:21.371 Yeah. 01:07:21.381 --> 01:07:22.451 And you have an open mind. 01:07:22.481 --> 01:07:23.811 You have to have an open mind. 01:07:23.811 --> 01:07:26.284 You can't sit there with your arms crossed you know, 01:07:26.448 --> 01:07:29.488 Gab: And we always say you have to like the people you're investigating with 01:07:29.508 --> 01:07:33.638 'cause like you said, sometimes you're just sitting there talking to yourself. 01:07:33.928 --> 01:07:34.308 You know? 01:07:34.308 --> 01:07:38.408 So it helps to have people you like with you where you could have conversations 01:07:38.558 --> 01:07:38.678 and 01:07:38.678 --> 01:07:38.813 Jody: Yep 01:07:39.175 --> 01:07:39.595 John: Mm-hmm. 01:07:39.888 --> 01:07:40.458 Yeah, for sure. 01:07:40.478 --> 01:07:41.628 Company definitely matters 01:07:41.893 --> 01:07:42.943 Gab: It does, for sure. 01:07:43.474 --> 01:07:44.694 So one last question 01:07:44.820 --> 01:07:44.991 John: Sure 01:07:45.101 --> 01:07:46.051 Gab: before we let you guys go. 01:07:46.691 --> 01:07:47.101 If you could 01:07:47.101 --> 01:07:52.091 investigate any location in the world, money is no object, and they can't 01:07:52.121 --> 01:07:54.331 tell you no, where would you go? 01:07:55.217 --> 01:07:56.667 Keriann: Go ahead, Keriann … It's funny 'cause we were actually 01:07:56.667 --> 01:07:58.387 having this conversation last night. 01:07:59.781 --> 01:08:04.497 I had John go around and start asking people, um, what would be their dream, uh- 01:08:04.557 --> 01:08:05.007 John: Bucket list 01:08:05.007 --> 01:08:06.080 Keriann: Yeah, their bucket list. 01:08:06.234 --> 01:08:07.424 Investigative place. 01:08:07.514 --> 01:08:11.084 One of the places that I, I, I don't know if it's like an investigative 01:08:11.084 --> 01:08:14.604 place, but it's a place that I really just wanna go to is Dracula's castle 01:08:15.082 --> 01:08:15.338 Jody: Oh. 01:08:15.352 --> 01:08:16.112 Gab: Ooh, I love that. 01:08:16.122 --> 01:08:16.632 Jody: Gabrielle. 01:08:17.049 --> 01:08:17.461 Gab: Yeah. 01:08:19.540 --> 01:08:20.840 John: Wyoming Valley Ghost Tours trip. 01:08:20.860 --> 01:08:21.350 Keriann: I know. 01:08:21.376 --> 01:08:21.676 Gab: Yeah. 01:08:22.676 --> 01:08:24.134 Jody: You're taking it international now right? 01:08:24.134 --> 01:08:24.144 Gab: Yeah. 01:08:24.778 --> 01:08:25.308 Keriann: Yep. 01:08:25.814 --> 01:08:26.924 John: Yeah, absolutely. 01:08:27.144 --> 01:08:30.074 Yeah, you, Keriann's always talked place. 01:08:30.534 --> 01:08:32.984 Um, what was the castle that you were actually at? 01:08:33.354 --> 01:08:35.334 Keriann: Why are you putting my brain on the spot right now? 01:08:36.954 --> 01:08:38.504 I've had a migraine for three days, so 01:08:38.691 --> 01:08:40.089 Gab: Oh, no 01:08:40.481 --> 01:08:40.952 Keriann: What is it? 01:08:41.352 --> 01:08:42.332 Oh my gosh. 01:08:43.222 --> 01:08:48.599 It's, what's the castle that, Cinderella's castle is mocked after? 01:08:48.979 --> 01:08:50.019 Uh, Neuschwanstein. 01:08:50.109 --> 01:08:50.509 John: There you go. 01:08:50.519 --> 01:08:51.009 Keriann: Yep. 01:08:51.299 --> 01:08:52.409 I was there before. 01:08:52.689 --> 01:08:54.679 Yeah, that's, I, that's what he's asking about. 01:08:55.479 --> 01:08:55.929 John: Yeah. 01:08:56.852 --> 01:08:58.489 So I would, have to agree with Keriann, man. 01:08:58.499 --> 01:09:00.809 Probably going somewhere over in Europe. 01:09:00.809 --> 01:09:03.739 And you know, I mean, what she mentioned would be amazing. 01:09:03.759 --> 01:09:04.339 I, I don't know. 01:09:04.549 --> 01:09:06.547 That's quite the experience. 01:09:06.614 --> 01:09:10.474 I mean, but like locally, well, not even locally, like US-based. 01:09:10.624 --> 01:09:11.574 Keriann: Trans-Allegheny. 01:09:11.854 --> 01:09:14.174 John: Trans-Allegheny I always wanted to go to, but I, I'd wanna 01:09:14.184 --> 01:09:16.284 go see something more unique. 01:09:16.324 --> 01:09:17.574 I don't know, maybe like Alcatraz. 01:09:17.574 --> 01:09:19.144 We were talking about that yesterday. 01:09:19.316 --> 01:09:19.846 Gab: Yeah. 01:09:19.878 --> 01:09:20.858 Jody: Ah, that would be cool. 01:09:20.858 --> 01:09:20.958 Yeah. 01:09:20.988 --> 01:09:21.048 Yeah. 01:09:21.048 --> 01:09:23.548 Eastern State, I've always talked about going to Eastern State and… 01:09:23.605 --> 01:09:23.898 Gab: Yeah 01:09:25.012 --> 01:09:25.432 John: Yeah. 01:09:25.442 --> 01:09:30.172 I mean, Eastern State, they stopped doing paranormal investigations unfortunately. 01:09:30.172 --> 01:09:31.752 You used to be able to rent the facility. 01:09:31.752 --> 01:09:35.812 I, I mean, years and years and years ago, maybe 10, 15 years ago. 01:09:35.812 --> 01:09:37.222 But we never got a chance to do it. 01:09:37.682 --> 01:09:39.092 They just no longer allow it. 01:09:39.092 --> 01:09:42.002 Because we were gonna run a trip there, not to investigate, 01:09:42.242 --> 01:09:44.602 just historic, Um, a tour. 01:09:45.002 --> 01:09:47.942 But once they heard our name, and we wanted to come in, they're like, "Well, 01:09:47.942 --> 01:09:50.362 we don't do anything paranormal." I was like, "Well, no, we're just a, we're 01:09:50.362 --> 01:09:54.492 just a group that we do investigations locally." I said, "We have no 01:09:54.492 --> 01:09:56.062 intention of doing anything paranormal. 01:09:56.072 --> 01:10:00.412 We wanna have a guided tour, a representative walk us through, talk 01:10:00.422 --> 01:10:01.732 about experiences that happened here." 01:10:01.732 --> 01:10:05.612 They're like, "No, because some people might start asking questions, and 01:10:05.612 --> 01:10:09.702 they might wanna, you know, turn it into a paranormal investigation." 01:10:09.702 --> 01:10:10.872 Like, okay, I respect that. 01:10:10.872 --> 01:10:12.792 But they they just, they just wouldn't do it. 01:10:12.802 --> 01:10:15.421 They don't want anything to do with paranormal at this point, at least 01:10:15.803 --> 01:10:17.113 the past couple years they haven't. 01:10:17.470 --> 01:10:17.890 Gab: Yeah. 01:10:18.020 --> 01:10:19.080 I could understand that. 01:10:19.371 --> 01:10:21.078 I wonder if it's like new ownership or something. 01:10:21.405 --> 01:10:22.075 John: Yeah, maybe. 01:10:22.075 --> 01:10:24.375 I mean, 'cause they were open to investigations. 01:10:24.515 --> 01:10:25.295 Like, that was the thing. 01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:25.825 Gab: Yeah. 01:10:25.891 --> 01:10:26.275 Jody: Yeah. 01:10:26.425 --> 01:10:27.335 John: I don't know what changed. 01:10:27.335 --> 01:10:28.125 I don't know what happened. 01:10:28.135 --> 01:10:29.145 Maybe there was 01:10:29.375 --> 01:10:30.355 just something that happened. 01:10:30.603 --> 01:10:30.993 Gab: Yeah 01:10:31.023 --> 01:10:32.373 Jody: a Data center's probably going up there. 01:10:32.373 --> 01:10:33.165 or something. 01:10:33.215 --> 01:10:33.915 John: Yeah, there you go. 01:10:35.193 --> 01:10:35.953 Yeah, I don't know. 01:10:36.035 --> 01:10:37.955 Jody: That's a good place to end it I think unless you guys 01:10:37.955 --> 01:10:38.971 have, anything else to add 01:10:39.911 --> 01:10:40.481 John: I don't think so. 01:10:40.481 --> 01:10:41.471 It was a great interview, man. 01:10:41.471 --> 01:10:41.651 We 01:10:41.651 --> 01:10:42.129 really apprecaiate it. 01:10:42.179 --> 01:10:43.259 Jody: My God, we love this. 01:10:43.289 --> 01:10:44.213 This is amazing. 01:10:44.364 --> 01:10:45.874 John: We're happy you chose us to come on. 01:10:45.994 --> 01:10:49.154 We love talking about our experiences, and we love talking about what Wyoming 01:10:49.154 --> 01:10:52.774 Valley Ghost Tours is and you gave us that option, man, or that, uh, time for 01:10:52.774 --> 01:10:54.264 us to come on and do it and talk about it 01:10:54.530 --> 01:10:56.190 Jody: I really wish we did it sooner, honestly. 01:10:56.200 --> 01:10:56.230 Gab: I know. 01:10:56.240 --> 01:10:58.420 Jody: We've been talking about this for over a year now, so. 01:10:58.430 --> 01:10:58.606 Gab: Yeah. 01:10:58.640 --> 01:10:59.451 John: Yeah, for sure. 01:10:59.631 --> 01:11:00.621 But yeah, well, it happened. 01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:01.910 Gab: Yeah, we really appreciate it. 01:11:02.496 --> 01:11:03.296 John: Absolutely. 01:11:03.796 --> 01:11:06.216 And, um, Marked and Darkness, man, check it out 01:11:07.216 --> 01:11:10.847 Jody: So where can our listeners, get in touch with you ? You have your socials you 01:11:10.847 --> 01:11:12.367 wanna, you wanna put on here for everybody 01:11:12.367 --> 01:11:12.557 or, 01:11:12.557 --> 01:11:15.594 John: Yeah I mean our, our cell phone, I mean it's right on our page. 01:11:15.594 --> 01:11:17.184 I mean we only use Facebook. 01:11:17.224 --> 01:11:19.374 That's all we've ever done since 2018. 01:11:19.704 --> 01:11:23.234 Um, so it's just Wyoming Valley Ghost Tours on Facebook. 01:11:23.264 --> 01:11:27.024 All of our information there is our, our email and our contact, 01:11:27.054 --> 01:11:28.744 uh, number, which is my cell phone. 01:11:29.054 --> 01:11:32.964 So it's email is there, info@wyomingvalleyghosttours.com. 01:11:33.414 --> 01:11:38.231 And then the number is 570-881-4468 01:11:38.403 --> 01:11:41.236 Jody: And for our listeners If you see an event pop up on the website, you're 01:11:41.236 --> 01:11:43.259 in town, go to one of their events. 01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:45.629 I'm telling you right now, especially as a first time 01:11:45.629 --> 01:11:46.869 pers-, well, not even first time. 01:11:46.869 --> 01:11:48.069 We've gone to, I don't know- 01:11:48.759 --> 01:11:50.599 probably a dozens of events at this point. 01:11:50.959 --> 01:11:52.250 It's a really good night out. 01:11:52.588 --> 01:11:55.841 These guys run, dinners with guests on occasion. 01:11:55.851 --> 01:11:55.871 Yeah. 01:11:55.881 --> 01:11:58.321 And, you know, speakers and events and stuff like that. 01:11:58.461 --> 01:11:58.595 And, 01:11:58.703 --> 01:11:59.515 Gab: Yeah bus trips. 01:11:59.725 --> 01:12:00.365 Jody: Bus trips. 01:12:00.365 --> 01:12:00.595 yeah. 01:12:00.661 --> 01:12:00.995 Gab: Yeah. 01:12:00.995 --> 01:12:02.085 A lot of fun events. 01:12:02.286 --> 01:12:02.976 Jody: It's a night out. 01:12:02.996 --> 01:12:05.766 Hell, if you're from out of the area, we have a ton of hotels, 01:12:05.766 --> 01:12:06.812 haunted hotels in the area, right. 01:12:06.862 --> 01:12:07.302 Gab: Yeah. 01:12:07.606 --> 01:12:10.189 Jody: Stay at the Radisson and maybe go on a, uh, a, a ghost, hunt 01:12:10.493 --> 01:12:10.783 Keriann: Hell yeah. 01:12:11.283 --> 01:12:12.203 I appreciate that, man 01:12:18.829 --> 01:12:22.432 Jody: So I managed to, dig up the clips from Hillview Manor that we spoke about, 01:12:22.492 --> 01:12:28.619 the door slamming and the scream, groan, gasp, whatever it was in Mary's room. 01:12:29.192 --> 01:12:31.142 And I gotta go ahead and play those back for you. 01:12:31.742 --> 01:12:33.002 So the first one is the door slam. 01:12:34.247 --> 01:12:38.267 And you'll hear us talking and you clearly hear us react to the door slamming. 01:12:39.775 --> 01:12:42.115 Gab on Recorder: Maybe they had some arts and crafts. 01:12:48.481 --> 01:12:49.241 What was that? 01:12:49.532 --> 01:12:50.172 Jody on Recorder: I heard that. 01:12:51.143 --> 01:12:53.093 Jody: So yeah, we were on the, uh, the first floor there. 01:12:53.093 --> 01:12:55.623 There was no one down there with us, other than the guys that were at the 01:12:55.623 --> 01:12:58.863 cameras in the front of the building in sort of like the reception area. 01:12:59.303 --> 01:13:03.539 And like we said, we went back to those guys to review the footage and. 01:13:04.167 --> 01:13:04.797 There was nothing. 01:13:04.797 --> 01:13:06.207 We didn't see any movement. 01:13:06.207 --> 01:13:07.497 We didn't see any doors slamming. 01:13:08.307 --> 01:13:12.662 There was nothing, we didn't see any movement ourselves in that hallway. 01:13:13.592 --> 01:13:15.512 And the guys that were at the cameras, they didn't. 01:13:16.097 --> 01:13:18.377 They didn't see anything on the camera, so they went back and reviewed it. 01:13:18.841 --> 01:13:19.831 So that was a weird one. 01:13:20.420 --> 01:13:22.040 Let me go ahead and play the second clip. 01:13:22.400 --> 01:13:26.015 You'll hear Gabrielle talking in the beginning, and if you listen very 01:13:26.015 --> 01:13:28.775 carefully, you might have to turn it up a little bit to hear it, but it almost 01:13:28.775 --> 01:13:32.478 seems like there's footsteps leading up to the gasp or the scream that we get. 01:13:33.018 --> 01:13:33.633 So here we go. 01:13:35.376 --> 01:13:35.796 Gab on Recorder: It was fun. 01:13:38.946 --> 01:13:41.076 I could see the interest definitely. 01:13:45.066 --> 01:13:47.376 Especially when you get to use those fun markers. 01:13:47.646 --> 01:13:49.086 That was my favorite part. 01:13:50.236 --> 01:13:51.216 Jody on Recorder: Oh, the ones with the dots? 01:13:51.456 --> 01:13:52.491 You put the dot on the 01:13:58.186 --> 01:14:02.551 Gab on Recorder: Is that your belly? 01:14:02.551 --> 01:14:02.771 Jody on Recorder: No, 01:14:03.271 --> 01:14:04.731 Gab on Recorder: It sounded like a cat or an animal. 01:14:05.724 --> 01:14:07.404 Jody: Yeah, so there you have it right in the beginning there 01:14:07.404 --> 01:14:09.054 you kind of get those footsteps. 01:14:09.204 --> 01:14:10.284 There's like two or three footsteps. 01:14:10.284 --> 01:14:11.094 You could kind of pick 'em out. 01:14:11.094 --> 01:14:15.344 If you turn it up then that weird, strange gasp that we both reacted to. 01:14:15.404 --> 01:14:18.164 "Was that your belly?", she said, I was like, "No." 01:14:18.504 --> 01:14:19.524 We both heard it. 01:14:20.014 --> 01:14:21.004 We got it on the recording. 01:14:21.004 --> 01:14:22.714 We have no idea where it came from. 01:14:22.714 --> 01:14:23.854 There was no source for the sound. 01:14:23.884 --> 01:14:27.261 There were no cats anywhere that we knew of. 01:14:27.876 --> 01:14:29.106 We didn't see any all night. 01:14:29.316 --> 01:14:31.686 So, you know, it was just very strange. 01:14:31.686 --> 01:14:34.406 So those were, two little bits of, I guess we'll call them evidence, 01:14:34.683 --> 01:14:35.973 that we got at Hillview Manor. 01:14:36.183 --> 01:14:36.573 I don't know. 01:14:37.226 --> 01:14:38.936 You guys that are listening and let us know what you think. 01:14:39.270 --> 01:14:41.130 Send us a comment, send us an email, whatever. 01:14:42.006 --> 01:14:44.912 So don't forget to visit us at podcastoftheparanormal 01:14:44.963 --> 01:14:46.513 (all one word) dot com. 01:14:46.940 --> 01:14:48.440 That's our central hub for everything. 01:14:48.440 --> 01:14:49.930 Our social links around there. 01:14:49.930 --> 01:14:52.151 if you wanna be on the show, you could fill out the contact 01:14:52.151 --> 01:14:53.651 form, and we'll get back to you. 01:14:54.148 --> 01:14:56.248 And you could listen to all of our episodes on the website 01:14:56.428 --> 01:14:58.198 and you could listen to all the episodes anywhere you want. 01:14:58.198 --> 01:15:00.868 We have links on the, uh, site for your favorite podcast provider. 01:15:01.727 --> 01:15:04.594 So next time around we'll have Michael Monk on Michael's kind 01:15:04.594 --> 01:15:05.960 of like a modern day mystic. 01:15:06.467 --> 01:15:11.057 He'll talk to us about spirituality, religion, God, kind of the human 01:15:11.057 --> 01:15:14.744 experience of all this from more of a spiritual mystic sort of side. 01:15:15.360 --> 01:15:19.307 So thanks for listening and we'll see you next time on Podcast of the Paranormal.